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observation about LCD monitors for Kona
Hi –
in the past 2 weeks, I have installed 3 different CONSUMER LCD monitors for
3 different Kona 2 systems with K Boxes – 1 Samsung, and 2 different model
Sony LCD’s (one 40″, and one 32″). They all work, they all make “nice” pictures, none are accurate, all look like crap with Standard Def video (the 32″ Sony looks “soft” with SD video).This is a recent pattern I am observing – people want BIG 16:9 monitors for their edit rooms, and they are buying CONSUMER MONITORS – this has never happend in the past (with AVID systems, or even FCP AJA I/O systems) – people bought Sony PVM’s – even old 1954Q’s, or similar. After the initial 23″ Cinema on every Kona 2 system, now everyone seems to feel that 23″ “just ain’t big enough” – and the consumer craze has started. So I expect to see lots of people saying “how come my colors, my resolution, etc. is off”.
What do you expect –Best Buy, Wal Mart, and Circuit City are not sources for professional broadcast equipment.
Bob Zelin
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[Bob Zelin] “This is a recent pattern I am observing – people want BIG 16:9 monitors for their edit rooms, and they are buying CONSUMER MONITORS – this has never happend in the past (with AVID systems, or even FCP AJA I/O systems) – people bought Sony PVM’s – even old 1954Q’s, or similar.”
I did that with my first Plasma screen. It was a nice big 42″ from Costco with pretty picture, but we used the PVM for accurate color correction. Now I’m swapping that out for a professional Panasonic 50″ and the 42″ makes a killer video game / DVD monitor out front.
Of course, this begs the question, what LCD are we supposed to buy now anyway? The Panasonic BT-LH1700W seems to be one of the better looking ones out there and I’m still waiting to get one into the shop so we can see it next to the PVM.
I’ve heard a bunch of negative feedback on the Sony Luma series, especially about their blacks. So why spend big bucks on an LCD screen if there’s no “professional standard” yet.
That’s the one thing I’m really hoping comes out of NAB this year. Somebody to make the decision of what will be considered “broadcast standard” on an LCD monitor. For CRT we have SMPTE-C Phosphors. What will it be for the LCD Monitor?
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
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I’m pretty new to the biz. Certainly when you’re talking HD (we don’t even have our KONA card yet.) But we picked up a Panasonic BT1700W and I love it. I’ve been using it for SD so far and it’s less than pretty, but I’m always pleasantly surprised when I double check on a CRT monitor. I referenced it to a Panasonic CRT and tweaked the calibration to match and I’m really happy. The whites aren’t as bright, but I’ve grown acustomed to it. The y/c comes out a little green, but with component it’s great.
I love it. My 2 cents.
David Garcia
Halflife* Digital
Albuquerque, NMdavid garcia
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[david garcia] “picked up a Panasonic BT1700W and I love it.”
After someone complained about my using a consumer tv for SD monitoring, (it is a flat crt with component in) I cannot help but point out the following from Panasonic’s website about the BT1700W:
WXGA resolution (1280 x 768)
Not what I would call HD.
In the living room I have a xbr960 which is far superior to virtually all, if not all, thin screens. People need to get over this fascination with thins untill they get better. If you want a big screen get LCOS or some other form of projection.
Take it EZ,
Robert A. Ober
PS: Have y’all seen the reviews of flat screens in the better mags? Bad contrast, bad color, and bad resolution for starters. -
Hey guys, looks like this might be the “next big thing” for displays. CRT performance, LCD size and weight:
https://www.canon.com/technology/display/
Chris Tomberlin
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What are we on-lining for?
My facility has finally bitten the bullett and bought a online FCP HD suite w/ Sony CRT HD monitor (dunno which one) I want to upgrade my suite to offline HD and will prob go with a dell 24″ and HDlink solution.
My question to all you in HD land across the Antaltic is this –
How many consumers watch HD on CRT sets?
Surely we should all be onlining for LCD and plasma.I, too am interested in the panasonic but, as has been said – full res HD in ain’t
Toodle Pip
Lex
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[infohou] “WXGA resolution (1280 x 768) Not what I would call HD. “
Why not? if fits the standard for HD as set by the ATSC and complies with nearly 95% of all consumer HD sets in resolution. ( Oh so you thought that set you were looking at was 1080?)
and by the way, where in any of the specs for your set does it say it is 1080 Native? Sony was one of the best at selling sets that were not in the spec for their 1080 format due to the costs involved for producing a Native 1080 set, and normally sony actually gives the resolution of the set if it is a true 1080 display.
According to CEA (consumer electronics assoc) Less than 4% of all sets sold in the last 2 years in the US were actually 1080 Native. At CES ’05 only something in the order of 10 sets were being touted as 1080 native, This year at CES 06 that Number jumped to nearly 60 (of over 300 different models)
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[lexerton] “I, too am interested in the panasonic but, as has been said – full res HD in ain’t”
I bet your Sony HD CRT isn’t a full 1080 lines either.
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Bob,
Are you sending DVI signals to these monitors or are you sending Component signals looped off the K-BOX. I can tell you that an HD-SDi signal converted to DVI is MUCH cleaner and the SD picture will reflect that as well. The Component HD signal off of the K-box is no where near as clean as the signal coming off the HD-SDI witha DVI converter to the set.
I have seen this first hand one one of the more expenseive (Sharp Aquos 9K, true 1920×1080 screens) Thats a pixel for pixel of what is in your machine, everything else is subject to so much “enhancement” that you get a kaliedescope od color. The problem with LCD’s is the blacks and the “new” HD stardards are many.
Just about any monitor can be tweaked to be a close facimile to a CRT, but I think we still need the CRT’s.
David
I can’t believe it’s not butter!
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[gary adcock] “Why not? if fits the standard for HD as set by the ATSC and complies with nearly 95% of all consumer HD sets in resolution.”
Sorry, did not realize the ATSC spec was that slack. Nonetheless, that is pretty poor unless all you plan to do is 720p. What consumers now have is immaterial. I would not produce to the lowest common denominator.
[gary adcock] “and by the way, where in any of the specs for your set does it say it is 1080 Native?”
Yes, it is 1920×1080. The original spec sheet says 1920×1080, when I find the manual I will scan the spec page. The current KD-34XBR960N (notice the N at the end) model does not claim 1920×1080 anywhere that I can find. As you know, almost no plasma’s or LCD’s(any?) currently on the market are 1920×1080. Hopefully the sets you mentioned from CES will come to market.
Y’all have fun,
Robert -
[JeremyG] “I bet your Sony HD CRT isn’t a full 1080 lines either.”
See above.
Robert A. Ober
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