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Not sure how to bring it up exactly…is anyone following the New Mexico photographer and AZ law?
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Richard,
Out of curiosity, have you read “Speaking Freely: Trials of the First Amendment”?
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[Mitch Ives] “Your views on Capitalism are precisely what I would expect from someone who has been through the reeducation camps we call public schools these days.”
You might want to tone down the rhetoric because it makes you look very foolish. And this is coming from someone who didn’t go through the public school system.
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[Herb Sevush] “No, I would guess A*holes come in at around 30% of the population, give or take. What group are you talking about?”
Is there a poll for that? I’m guessing it’s gotten much higher in the last 5 years…
[Herb Sevush] “It’s not the only option, I doubt it’s the best option, but I do realize it is an option, although I personally haven’t come in contact with a single individual or company that has used it. I own a business and this is not the kind of thing that keeps me up late at night. I’m more apt to be worried about volcanos, and I live in NY. “
Really? The photographer in NM… the cake bakers in Washington (?). Seems they had little choice. Remember, nothing is a problem until it affects you… then it’s Defcon1.
[Herb Sevush] “That’s the exact sort of thinking that started the trouble in the first place. First you have to understand that both sides are feeling abused, then you have to get over it and stop trying to legislate good behavior. If it’s life and death, yes go call your congressman, if it’s flowers, work it out for yourself.”
Too late for that. It’s precisely what you’ve identified that got us here. Chicken and egg argument?
Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill
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[Gary Huff] “[Mitch Ives] “Your views on Capitalism are precisely what I would expect from someone who has been through the reeducation camps we call public schools these days.”
You might want to tone down the rhetoric because it makes you look very foolish. And this is coming from someone who didn’t go through the public school system.”
Or it could be that I spent 5-1/2 years teaching in the Community College system and experienced first hand the results of our failing education system. I also spend a great deal of time talking to younger people about all manner of things. So, while I appreciate your advice, I’ll stick with my “experience based” assessment.
Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill
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[Mitch Ives] “If I’m doing something truly egregious the market will punish me and I’ll go out of business.”
Looks like your well on you way.
Scott Witthaus
Senior Editor/Post Production Supervisor
1708 Inc./Editorial
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No. But I will order it. Thanks!
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[Scott Witthaus] “[Mitch Ives] “If I’m doing something truly egregious the market will punish me and I’ll go out of business.”
Looks like your well on you way.”
Thanks Scott. How incredibly open mined of you. I hope your business is doing well.
I can see that diverse opinions are no longer appreciated here. As one of the very first on this forum I find that a bit disappointing…
Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill
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[Mitch Ives] “Your views on Capitalism are precisely what I would expect from someone who has been through the reeducation camps we call public schools these days.”
[Gary Huff] You might want to tone down the rhetoric because it makes you look very foolish. And this is coming from someone who didn’t go through the public school system.”
[Mitch Ives] …So, while I appreciate your advice, I’ll stick with my “experience based” assessment.”
Mitch, I teach part time CTE classes at a local high school and I can certainly attest to certain failings in our education system, more due to worthless top-down directives coming from folks (from both the educational consulting and political legislative sphere) who have never stepped foot in a classroom. The teachers at my school are evenly divided between conservative and liberal views and all as far as I can see are very professional in their neutralness when it comes to working with the kids.
I have all kinds of perspectives coming out of these kids and I can guarantee you that the “reeducation camps” you mention are primarily based at home, and the failure you reference doesn’t reflect any particular end of the spectrum however you measure it. Moreover, I’d say the “reeducation camps” are web and media based, and reflect the failure of journalism and the fracturing the the “net” into tribal groups who mutually reinforce each others biased views. The primary failure in my view is the break down of mutual respect and the discourse that can result.
Your economic views may be more nuanced than you are presenting here, but your simplistic characterizations of those with differing world views suggests you are as much a victim of such reeducation camps as anyone else.
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[Mitch Ives] “Or it could be that I spent 5-1/2 years teaching in the Community College system and experienced first hand the results of our failing education system. I also spend a great deal of time talking to younger people about all manner of things. So, while I appreciate your advice, I’ll stick with my “experience based” assessment.”
Not to contradict your own personal experience with the ‘reeducation camps’ but none of my current views were shaped during K-12 or even during college. It wasn’t until I’d been out in the real world for a bit and observed how things really worked with regards to big business, government and society in general that my current POV started forming.
Curious, when you say “younger” what age range are you talking about?
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And that’s where the Arizona law enters the picture (pun intended), which has been vetoed by the AZ governor and probably won’t have enough votes for an override.
The law can be read here: https://www.azleg.gov/legtext/51leg/2r/bills/sb1062p.pdf
Other states will probably pass very similar laws.
I think the current SCOTUS will strike down the NM law because it is written too broadly, and they will not discuss the First Amendment or LGBT rights.
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