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  • No Viable and Real Alternative for Windows Editors and P2

  • Peter Corbett

    January 5, 2006 at 11:52 am

    I really want to get a HVX200, but the lack of real WORKING support from Windows NLE manufacturers like Adobe and Avid is really worrying me. Just go to another unnamed P2 forum and witness the frustration of windows users trying to access P2 footage on a non-Apople platform including so-called current partners like Avid Xpress.

    It seems crazy that Panasonic would release a new format with limited and undeveloped support for PC users. Where is the Panasonic /Adobe partnership announcement? It’s very bleak for me. I don’t want to spend a squillion on a Qantel P2 blue-sky solution or an under-developed quicky niche player like Canopus Edius. I want to edit on Premiere or Avid on XP……now preferably.

    Peter Corbett
    Powerhouse Productions

  • harold ferguson

    January 5, 2006 at 1:09 pm

    “under-developed quicky niche player like Canopus Edius”.

    Peter: I have been editing hdv footage(sony fx1) on the edius hdv nx windows system since march 2005.. and have been impressed. I am an apple fcp and adobe 1.5 with aspect user also.
    I very seldom use them anymore.
    WRAL a station in Raleigh NC is installing Edius Broadcast editing systems in the news gathering division.
    When my new HVX 200 arrives I will upgrade to Edius Broadcast $499.00
    and keep on earning the not so almighty $

    Mule Ferguson
    Pumpkin Creek Video

  • Peter Corbett

    January 5, 2006 at 1:18 pm

    Aww, I shouldn’t have said “under-developed”. But I mean quicky and niche like even discreet edit was, or Speed Razor or Chrome or any other number of NLE’s that have disappeared or been swallowed by bigger fish. I’d just like a big mainstream Windows player like Adobe to be ready right now with P2, but I know it’s not going to happen.

    Peter Corbett
    Powerhouse Productions

  • Craig Seeman

    January 5, 2006 at 2:51 pm

    Unless one can switch NLEs and eat the cost as they become defunct, it’s a risky purchase IMHO. I know facilities that took a hit when Discreet Edit was abandoned. It took Apple some time for many to take them seriously as a LONG TERM player.

    Even on the Mac said there’s a bump or two in the workflow. FCP can import P2 but it loses the metdata. Some might want MXF import. Telestream makes an MXF importer (Flip4Mac) that handles XDCAM source in FCP. There might be a market for that for P2, which seems to be different variant of MXF implementation. There’s also the cross platform work flow. One can’t Export MXF from FCP and that would be useful. While one can wrap DVCPro50 in AVI, Quicktime doesn’t have a means to wrap DVCProHD. Same issue for DV stream (supports 50 but not HD). Right now you can export DVCProHD wraped in mov but many Windows NLEs can’t use that.

  • Dom Silverio

    January 5, 2006 at 3:16 pm

    What is the problem with Xpress Pro HD and P2? P2 has been useable since eearly-mid last year.

  • Steve Connor

    January 5, 2006 at 3:31 pm

    I’ll bet FCP has MXF support in the next few months, they did announce it last year as a feature in development.

    Steve Connor
    Cardinal HD

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  • Mike Schrengohst

    January 5, 2006 at 4:23 pm

    I sent out a call for FCP editors and got about 50 responses in two days.
    If I sent out the same call for PPro or Edius editors???
    Agencies use FCP, High-end post houses use FCP, many feature films are cut on FCP,
    what am I missing here??

    All the people in the other forum who are editing and looking at P2 footage captured with the HVX are Mac and FCP users.

    I have been a die-hard PC guy but really when a shift is ocurring right beneath your feet – do you jump to the other side or fall in the crack??

  • David S.

    January 5, 2006 at 5:01 pm

    [Peter Corbett] “It seems crazy that Panasonic would release a new format with limited and undeveloped support for PC users.”

    Kinda of backwards comments isn’t. Or chicken and egg.

    Apple, AVID and others have NLEs to support the format.

    Panasonic is selling a camera. The PC vendors have some obligation in determining whether they wish to support the format

    David S.

  • Damonbots

    January 6, 2006 at 2:58 am

    I hate to drag us back to this, but I don’t think Edius is a “quicky niche player” either. I’ve been using it close to 3 years now and it’s been rock solid with excellent real-time performance. It’s only gotten better since then. Yes it’s a fairly new NLE compared to others, but it’s maturing rapidly and intelligently. Canopus technicians participate in the forums and really listen to customer suggestions. I really like the editing layout and I bet the new version due in April will make it much more competitive with the big boys. My only real complaint has been the lack of 3rd party support. Hopefully that will come along as Edius becomes more popular. Also, from what I understand, it fully supports the HVX-200 workflow right now. Anyway, it might be something to consider before trading up your whole system for another.

  • Al Clarke

    January 6, 2006 at 2:31 pm

    How about Leitch? I don’t think they are going anywhere…Velocity Q supports MXF on the timeline – no need to import – just drag it over the USB at a gig per minute. Don’t want hardware? Velocity X sheduled to come soon…Al

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