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Chris Harlan
April 15, 2013 at 5:48 am[Oliver Peters] “All compositing of multiple streams is done at the server. The MSE is sending a single stream to the client system and that stream is throttled by available bandwidth (plus some local caching like with AE), just like the settings on the Premiere Pro timeline now. “
That’s fascinating.
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Chris Kenny
April 15, 2013 at 2:41 pm[Oliver Peters] “In Anywhere, that’s where the Mercury Streaming Engine comes in. All compositing of multiple streams is done at the server. “
Right, I get that this is how Adobe’s model works. I’m just speculating on models that don’t require that much specialized central infrastructure, since that requirement seems problematic for many projects where collaboration would otherwise be useful.
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Ben Mullins
April 15, 2013 at 2:53 pmI totally agree that Apple is way too secretive in just about everything they do – but can’t argue with success…
I think this creates an atmosphere where no-one at Apple will want to (or be brave enough to) change their strategy in relation to marketing or customer relations, despite what many customers would prefer (less secrecy).…I get the feeling that they know it’s not done yet and are playing it extra close to the vest until the last of the missing features are back in.
Personally I wish they wouldn’t play it so close, it has a direct effect on the financial decisions I have to make and puts me in a position where planning the future of my career becomes more guess work than strategy, both in terms of purchasing new hardware and learning new software. This is how I pay the bills. If I am your customer I would like at least some support. Just saying…
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Marcus Moore
April 15, 2013 at 8:07 pmThat’s good to hear. Did the MacPro come up in your conversation at all? I know they’ve been reinforcing it’s release with others who they met with.
From what others have reported, there certainly doesn’t seem to be any confusion about where it is or is not a “MacPro”. Maybe these guys don’t know so they’re just calling it that.
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Aindreas Gallagher
April 15, 2013 at 8:16 pmI think it really is a bit of a larger picture thing? the collaborative abilities afforded to a large to mid size with anywhere are quite savage – like I say – there are some heavy duty places in London with multiple site facilities that have extensively road tested it – they are very, very extremely keen.
Also – it was said that adobe are looking at a long GOP mercury stream implementation – that would take shared footage access all the way to a good DSL.
I get that proxies can be great – but this represents the first time to my knowledge that someone has gotten up to their knees in fundamentally removing the necessity for proxies.It might be better to look at this as adobe attacking high value big iron solutions by effectively commoditising the parts? – and also solving shared group collaboration at the same time. I don’t work in that scenario, but I have talked to people road testing anywhere – who are in that scenario –
and they sound pretty seriously on board.between this, CS7 and CC -it’s hard not to see it as adobe attacking the market at almost every level.
They might as well be daubed in scottish blue wode.https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
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Oliver Peters
April 15, 2013 at 8:22 pm[Marcus Moore] “Did the MacPro come up in your conversation at all? I know they’ve been reinforcing it’s release with others who they met with.”
Apple avoided any discussion of hardware, except to reiterate the Cook quote. Demos used iMacs.
Oliver
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Lance Bachelder
April 16, 2013 at 7:40 amYeah and I didn’t ask since I was pestering them about FCPX and started to wear out my welcome… plus I’m very happy with my new iMac and not missing my MacPro at all not to mention the heat that used to fill my edit suite. I will pay for my iMac in 12 months with AC savings.
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Chris Harlan
April 16, 2013 at 9:46 am[Lance Bachelder] ” I will pay for my iMac in 12 months with AC savings.”
That’s about right.
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James Mortner
April 17, 2013 at 9:54 am[Frank Gothmann] “[Craig Seeman] “Apple must make a “professional” push to show how the combination is worth a six or seven figure secure investment for a facility.”
They’ve shown already that it is not a secure investment. With both soft- and hardware. We needed two more machines and employed a new guy full-time last month. I am in Europe. If we had not gone PC last year I would have been forced to look on Ebay for a Mac Pro because I need PCIe connectivity. Very secure.”
Exactly!
Also from the write-up
” But to use it effectively, you have to change your workflow. In a multi-editor, multi-production facility, this means changing a lot of practices and retraining staff. It also means augmenting the software with a host of other applications to fix the short-comings.”
This is another enormous problem. Why would any large-ish facility go to all the trouble and expense of switching over when there is a very real chance they’ll be left high and dry in another year or two i.e. Final Cut Server. People are still smarting over that.
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Craig Seeman
April 17, 2013 at 3:01 pmAs I’ve said before, you can say that about any number of companies that EOL’d high end facility level gear. Apple is not the first or only.
Avid changed things a number of times when their NLEs were over $50,000 each with huge upgrade prices.
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