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NLE Unreliability
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Today’s post industry is devided by two groups, in my humble opinion…
Those who owned an Avid when it was an awesome product and an aweosme brand, and those who have not.
Those who have simply cannot use an Avid today. It’s just too frustrating and buggy compaired to what we use to work on… and pay for.
Then , there are those who do not know what Avid use to be and are willing to roll the dice with em, not very vocal either way as, well, they have very little to lose.
Non of the above, including myself, have a legit gripe towards the company or the product. It’s up to us as consumers to drive supply with demand. It’s up to us to research and not to purchase because some white sheets written by a sales department menationed buzzwords we like. It’s up to them to speak the truth and back things if they want that demand I spoke of. That demand, is not what changed… the product line is what fell. People simply fell around it.
pounbd for pound wel know FCP must be looked at when building a suite now. Wasn’t even in the running 4 years ago. But their upgrades are upgrades, not bug fixes that introduce new ones.
There are many of us who got stuck making payments on a box worth about a payment. Take it on the chin and don’t do it again.
Kind of an old school POV but what are you gonna do, waiste more time and money on em?
Wish them well in their soon to be retirement and rock on.
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INteresting. But just so as to avoid any confusion, my post hasn’t anything to do with Avid. But I applaud any effort to identify excellence (and I suppose that also means calling shortcomings to task.)
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It applies globally. Our government just rewarded failure in the auto industry to the tune of billions and are about to do the same with the banks. My experience with Avid is the same. They are a company that simply does not try very hard to compete. Your product or vendor just lacks passion and desire to be on top. You cannot hender your progress as a result of others lacking passion.
None of us can afford to do this anymore.
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[david grantham] “INteresting. But just so as to avoid any confusion, my post hasn’t anything to do with Avid”
He didn’t say it was. He was saying what the rest of us have been saying. Cut your losses, move on to another system and get on with your work. The overwhelming majority of the people who posted in this thread feel you have no basis to demand any sort of restitution from Matrox, myself included.
Ditch the system, get something that truly works and move on.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Biscardi Creative Media
HD and SD Production for Broadcast and Independent Productions.STOP STARING AND START GRADING WITH APPLE COLOR Apple Color Training DVD available now!
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With the benefit of this discussion and specifically thanks to Randy’s suggestion I have a Dell Dimension 8400 system up and running on SP2 only and today is the day I’ll be thoroughly exploring how well it works with this entire system. Mfr says I have the bad luck of one in hundreds of thousands and that it wil be making some changes in its tech support to ensure this doesn’t happen to anyone else. This discussion isn’t holding that back. It’s probably held the keys to success and I”m extremely thankful.
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[Chris Blair] “I have a friend using Premiere CS3 with Axio and he says it’s virtually identical to editing on a real-time Avid or Velocity system and is very stable, but with so many varied configurations possible with Premiere, there’s a pretty wide berth out there for opinions on it’s performance/stability quotient. And even on many properly configured systems using approved hardware, performance is pretty dismal compared to competing systems”
Well…that last part is pretty broad.
AJA makes hardware for Premiere too…I use it…it’s as stable under a Premiere Pro scenario as an FCP box. I’m in a building with two guys with FCP running on Macs and life isn’t trouble-free for them either…
You are correct that there is a FAR wider variation in configurations of PCs under PPro systems than there is Macs under FCP systems…and now that PPro runs natively on a Mac, I think many users are seeing the benefits of a Mac…with the workflow of PPro. FCP is a fine program, but i think many of Premiere/Premiere Pro’s historical issues have been PC and/or Windows limitations. It’s more a Mac vs PC conversation on reliability than an FCP vs PPro from what I’ve experienced.
I’ve used FCP and PPro on the same Mac system and they are comparable in performance as far as edit responsiveness…PPro has several workflows where it’s superior in its flexibility certainly, but once FCP turns everything into QuickTime, it edits just fine.
As far as price…I can’t find FCP available anywhere by itself…FC Studio which is FCP, Motion, Soundtrack Pro, Color, and Compressor is 1299.00 USD (Apple site) and PPro by itself is 800.00 USD (Adobe site). I don’t see much price difference.
As far as RT performance, again, I suspect if FCP were installed on as wide a variety of systems, slower systems would perform slower. The remark that “…even on many properly configured systems using approved hardware, performance is pretty dismal compared to competing systems” is so vague that it simply has no value. I usually find this sort of thing comes from someone who may have owned a problem PPro system and simply gave up on it forever…legitimate experience, but far too anecdotal to derive such ‘global’ conclusions from.
If I classified all FCP systems based on the issues one of my colleagues has had with their FCP system, I would report to the world that all Mac FCP systems are undependable and they crash when DVD Studio Pro is burning a DVD…
Obviously they had an issue with their system that ended up being related to some subtle power supply damage among some other system issues. It wasn’t indicative of Mac systems as a whole…and I’ve seen enough of them to know that.
…PC based PPro systems may have a few more technical configuration quirks, but when they’re set up properly (whether with an Axio or not), they’re quite powerful and as far as varied source material possible on the timeline…I daresay, relatively unmatched.
TimK,
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The state of my problems is that a new machine seems to result in the same type of crashes, though when not crashing the system feels much smoother.
SO either the editing card is faulty or suffering universal compatibility issues, the project is corrupted or overtaxxing these machines, or some of my video is corrupted. I am transfrerring my 310 GB of clips from a drive with 100 GB free to a drive with about 700 GB free. (All 7200 rpm SATA) to remediate any drive-related problems.
TROublshooting is bieng discussed on tech forums. Premiere Pro and Matrox.
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rock on, brutha!
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Im’ rocking all right. To the point of sea-sickness.
TUrns out computer may not be the problem, because inconsisten crahses remain with a replacement.
Even more Srcupulous testing reveal that if it’s going to crash – whic sometimes int doesn’t – it will do so near where certain clips show up;unfotuatnely one scattere irrregularly through the piece well-desguising this pattern. Made more difciult to diagnose by the inconsistency of the problem. Strating to modfy those places helps.
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Sounds like a codec issue. I’ve seen “broken” or incompatible codecs bring some systems to a grinding halt…namely our VelocityQ machines and Digital Fusion. Those apps absolutely hate Blackmagic codecs. They conflict with The VelocityQ’s proprietary virtual AVI codec (which creates an AVI pointer to an existing .dps file). With Digital Fusion, it simply won’t open with certain Blackmagic codecs installed.
Google “Sherlock Codec Detective.” Download it (it’s free and a tiny file). Run it and see if it finds some “broken” codecs. If it does, unistall them through control panel. If they don’t show up in control panel, google “how to uninstall codecs through the registry.”
We had some old Avid codecs on our Premiere CS3/Blackmagic HD Decklink Extreme that caused Premiere to crash anytime you placed one of the Avid based clips on a timeline. Solution was to transcode the clips to the Blackmagic native codec and get rid of the Avid codecs. Crashes stopped.
Hope that helps.
Chris Blair
Magnetic Image, Inc.
Evansville, IN
http://www.videomi.com
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