News on any update to HDV stuff?

[Steven L. gotz]

Adobe does not announce new features like that. Sometimes they open up about really big things, but not the little stuff like that. And I doubt that they are working on it.

Steven

https://www.stevengotz.com

[Perry Cheng]

Steve,
Thanks for your reply. Yes, it is “little stuff”, however, it is so basic. When you capture, do you not want to see what you are capturing on the monitor? It like saying, ok, NLE can do all kinds of fancy stuff, but, there is no keyboard shortcuts. They are not important. It is important when you need it and if other NLEs have it. Well, don’t mean take this on you, Steve, you have been great around here. Hope you understand many of our frustrations. Many, if not every time when HDV capture is being discuss in forum, HDVSplit was recommended. Why should a “Fully loaded” NLE lacks this function and people have to rely on a Freeware to do what it should have done in the first place?

Perry.

[Steven L. gotz]

To be honest, I don’t really see the importance of seeing the video I am capturing. I capture one of three ways. Only one of them would necessitate seeing the video.

1. HDVSplit which provides the ability to capture the entire tape using scene detect. No need to see the video until after it gets chopped into little pieces. Then I review them one at a time and delete the ones I know I will never use.

2. Run through the tape and make notes as to what timecodes I want to log. Then I capture the log. No need to see, since I have already seen.

3. Capture on the fly. OK, so it would be handy to see the video, but really this is the least efficient way to capture so I seldom do it this way. And if I need to, the camera has a huge LCD screen so I can use that instead of the PC monitor. I mean really, what difference does it make if it is only once in a blue moon?

Should Adobe add the ability? Sure. Should they add scene detect? Sure. Will I suffer if they don’t? No.

Steven

https://www.stevengotz.com

[Perry Cheng]

Well, all I am saying is that we should not need to use HDV split to scene detect or other HDV capture while premiere is claiming to be one of the industrial leaders but can’t do that?

Perry

[Harm Millaard]

Remember how long it took Adobe to get scene detection in Premiere 6.x while Scenalyzer offered it for years? It appears Adobe always want to be a couple of years being the competition. It could be a performance indicator for their marketing department, showing how good they keep up with the competition despite lacking features.

Harm Millaard

[Eric Jurgenson]

The Matrox cards (RTX2 & Axio series) support the capture screen in Premiere with HDV, and give you audio input metering as well.

[Harm Millaard]

Not only that, they also give you serious headaches.

Harm Millaard

[Eric Jurgenson]

Harm, wasn’t your last Matrox purchase a RT-2000?

You should give them another shot. The RTX2 LE is rock stable when used in Matrox certified configurations, and offers significant enhancements to CS3 for less than a thousand bucks: real time effects, accelerated rendering/export, and analog I/O for example.

[Dave Baldwin]

Ditto on giving Matrox another look. I used to have the old RT2500 and swore never again. Then a few years ago I found myself managing a small production office w/ no budget having to produce a weekly kid’s program. I gambled out of desperation because of Matrox’s advertised chromakeying capabilities on the RTX2. Well, I’ve got two systems now on DIY boxes built to Matrox’s and Adobe’s specs and they’ve been issue free for over two years now. In fact all of my Adobe suites are built to Adobe’s specs and I’m amazed at how well they hold up against our FCP suites. Overall I’d say we have just as many issues – if not more – w/ our FCP suites, but alas, I digress.

Seriously, Matrox isn’t the answer for everybody and I avoid any special hardware dependent codecs and workflows if I can, but for the money the RTX2 is a pretty impressive package and I’ve found it to be stable and dependable. It integrates pretty seamlessly into our workflow w/ only a few concessions having to be made. Overall it probably saves us 40 hours a week of render time we would lose if we didn’t have it.

cheers,
Dave

db

MacBook Pro
2GB RAM
Windows XP/Mac OSX
Adobe Production Bundle – CS3

[Harm Millaard]

First of all it ONLY runs on certified systems, limiting capabilities severely. If you deviate in a very slight way from those systems, it is anyone’s guess when it will cause trouble, the only certainty is that it will give trouble. What happens when your certified video card dies and the model can no longer be bought? Right, you’re in deep shit because your system is no longer certified. What happens when CS4 comes out? Nothing to worry about, you can buy the compatible and new RTX3, because the RTX2 no longer works, however you can’t upgrade, you need to buy the new card, which is only supplied with another version of PP CS4, which you already have. It may even be necessary to get a new system as well, since your current system is no longer on the certified systems list.

The list of certified systems consists of way underpowered systems. I prefer a good system and invest in that rather than investing in Matrox and an abundant license of PP. If you only use PP and are satisfied with mediocre systems and are not tech savvy, it makes sense. I belong to another category.

Harm Millaard