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[Bill Davis] “They RESET the software to ZERO and started out fresh.
Every line of code is clean, clear, and purpose built to do what they wanted. Every feature built into the old had to EARN it’s way into the new build. Every line of FCP-X code is optimized for the hardware world we live in today. The stuff they built for YESTERDAY’s editing environments – that’s the stuff they left out. (And precisely what hurts so many with a serious requirement to support hardware, software, and necessary workflows as they were done back in LEGACY.)”
Assuming that is 100% true, how long do you think it will remain that way?
Do you think apple will re-write the code from scratch every time they decide to cave on restoring FCS functions that they left out of X?
Fat chance.
Or will they just kludge the new code on top of the old? Hmm… Pretty soon your shiny new X will just be another piece of bloatware like all the other ‘one size fits all’ single GUI, multi-purpose apps out there.
The old expression ‘form follows function’ is certainly true and eventually a lot of missing stuff will be put into X because there is a reason it was in FCS and other NLE’s in the first place. I suspect once the shininess wears off, and the hacks drop out of the picture because they can’t make a living charging 15 dollars an hour for editing, the survivors who insist on sticking with X will clamoring for the missing features to keep up with everyone else on other platforms. Because the way it looks right now, most that submit stories of using X for real jobs, are basically using it as an overpriced plugin for another NLE. I doubt anyone that has to make a living doing this will have the patience to do it like that forever.Scott Sheriff
Director
https://www.sstdigitalmedia.com“If you think it’s expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur.” —Red Adair
Where were you on 6/21?
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[tony west] “They are super Mac heads so they have used Imovie.”
If they only run on Macs, then they can’t use the latest version of AVID NewsCutter. According to the software requirements, it needs Windows 7 and an NVIDIA Quadro FX card.
That alone gives an edge to Final Cut Pro X and Premiere Pro in their environment.
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[Bill Davis] “I WISH.
That view is from I saw and heard at the SuperMeet introduction. They talked, IIRC about starting with a clean slate. And the program they introduced was OBVIOUSLY not a simple “tweak” of the Legacy code base that I could tell. And clearly the fact that X is built, not around Quicktime (as Legacy clearly was), but rather AV Foundation and Core Video, kinda supports that as well, don’t you think?
I’m not a programmer, so this is all supposition on my part. But I do listen to when the smart guys are talking, even if I don’t always totally understand what they’re saying. ; )”
I hear ya. And I also understand wanting to present a positive case for FCPX. This is a debate forum and I enjoy the debate. But I think it’s important to be clear about what’s fact and what’s opinion. Maybe it’s just a style thing but for example:
[Bill Davis] “Every line of code is clean, clear, and purpose built to do what they wanted. Every feature built into the old had to EARN it’s way into the new build. Every line of FCP-X code is optimized for the hardware world we live in today. “
This is a statement of absolute fact. A new visitor looking to this forum for information, not knowing where you’re coming from could easily read it that way. If you’ve talked to the engineers and they’ve told you this, awesome, please say more. If not, then I think you should expect some push back when you make this kind of argument.
Also, you do know it’s common netiquette that anything in all caps IS CONSIDERED YELLING, right?
Just say’in 😉
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[David Lawrence] “This is a statement of absolute fact. A new visitor looking to this forum for information, not knowing where you’re coming from could easily read it that way. If you’ve talked to the engineers and they’ve told you this, awesome, please say more. If not, then I think you should expect some push back when you make this kind of argument.
Also, you do know it’s common netiquette that anything in all caps IS CONSIDERED YELLING, right?
Just say’in 😉
“Yeah, and push back is fair. I can handle that.
As to the caps thing, I struggle with that. In all my years of writing, I had access to quotes, italics, bolds and underscores. As I migrated to newsgroup posts, those kind of conditional markings all too often ended up looking like: “what I <%said%> meant no offense… so I kinda devolved into using caps as a reliable emphasis tool. I know that in strict “texting” circles it’s considered yelling, and I try not to do it, but I find myself in mid thought and feel the need to EMPHASIZE a word for meaning and I’m too stuck in my traditional keyboarding ways to catch myself FAR too often.
(It was easier for the decade I wrote on deadline for the magazine, since there was a copy editor between me and my readers to make sure I didn’t screw up like that. I miss the convenience!)
I apologize for any impression of impoliteness that it communicates. That’s never my intent. And I’ll try harder to remember it in the future.
“Before speaking out ask yourself whether your words are true, whether they are respectful and whether they are needed in our civil discussions.”-Justice O’Connor
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[Bill Davis] “I try not to do it, but I find myself in mid thought and feel the need to EMPHASIZE a word for meaning and I’m too stuck in my traditional keyboarding ways to catch myself FAR too often.”
Yeah, I hear that muscle memory thing can be a real pain 😉
I like italics for emphasis but everyone has their own preference. The style buttons work well here but if you’re used to writing fast I can see how they may slow you down.
[Bill Davis] “I apologize for any impression of impoliteness that it communicates. That’s never my intent. And I’ll try harder to remember it in the future.”
Thanks and no worries. I enjoy your posts and the debate. Just want to help keep the focus on ideas rather than writing/communication styles! 🙂
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Tony,
I am not much knowledgeable in the area of news, but it strikes me that these organizations would/should be looking at archival capabilities in terms of media systems. They’ll be wanting access to raw material and edits from a vast array of sources, across a network, and they’ll want to be able to find it quickly – 5 years from now, 10 years from now, etc.
Final Cut Server comes to mind. FCPX clearly doesn’t have that capability now.
Franz.
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[David Lawrence] “Bro said you’re out of town during that time so I guess it’ll have to be next time for us to all get together for a drink.”
Next time, for sure.
Have a happy T-giving Holiday.
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
https://www.drwfilms.comDon’t miss my new Creative Cow Podcast: Bringing “The Whale” to the Big Screen:
https://library.creativecow.net/weiss_roth_david/Podcast-Series-2-MikeParfitandSuzanneChisholm/1POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™
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“There are multiple millions of people around the world with with “NLE operation” skills today. Yes, fewer at the top end, but everyone who is currently NOT at the “top end” are likely getting better every day with practice – and that means “operational excellence in NLE driving” is going to be less and less a competitive advantage in the future. What I believe is left in the wake of that are the intangible skills of judgement, taste, and business skills. Not editing prowess.”
I am not in competition with those millions. My editorial skills are partially made up of two of the three intangibles you mentioned, judgement and taste, along with story sense and imagination. The editorial tools I need have to let me express those skills quickly and easily.
“Those same “features” that pro editors hate – the magnetic timeline, clip collision avoidance, looking at video in a vertical arrangement of connected elements rather than exclusively as discrete chunks over a rigid time base – those things might be mothers milk to new business editors who don’t have to overcome too much baggage about how editing is SUPPOSED to be done – but rather can remain focuses on how it IS done in the new software.”
All of this ease for newbies comes at the cost of making the software difficult to use to accomplish what so many of us here need. Nothing I do is in any way similar to a print journalist putting his Iphone interview on his newspapers website.
And guess what, in the future there will still be growing audiences for the kind of work I do.
https://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire/online_mobile/americans-watching-more-tv-than-ever/
Traditional TV viewership is still growing, not shrinking. Given the enormous difference in size of audience, how many decades will it take for internet viewership to catch up? And by internet viewership I really mean the viewership for videos with no production value, the kind of work where the editorial skills of the millions is supposed to satisfy the entertainment demands of the billions?
For a news story anything goes, including a telephone call-in with a still photo. For a viral cat video, I’m sure iMovie will suffice. For Thursday nite at 9 O’clock, post skills still matter, and will do so for the foreseeable future. And those skills pay better.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Herb Sevush] “For a news story anything goes, including a telephone call-in with a still photo. For a viral cat video, I’m sure iMovie will suffice. For Thursday nite at 9 O’clock, post skills still matter, and will do so for the foreseeable future. And those skills pay better.”
Good points Herb. The argument that the future of media belongs to vastly simplified applications and to would-be craftsmen and craftswomen without traditional, hard won editing skills and experience, is just one more long reach for those trying to make the best out of Apple’s decision to EOL Final Cut Pro.
Had Apple simultaneously released FCPX and the FCS 4 most were expecting, I wonder how many here would be shouting the virtues of X?
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
https://www.drwfilms.comDon’t miss my new Creative Cow Podcast: Bringing “The Whale” to the Big Screen:
https://library.creativecow.net/weiss_roth_david/Podcast-Series-2-MikeParfitandSuzanneChisholm/1POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™
Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Business & Marketing and Apple Final Cut Pro forums.
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