New Workflow AVCHD for FCP7

[Martti Ekstrand]

First of all let me repeat: AVCHD shouldn’t be that hard to edit with if tapping into modern video cards GPU power.

Then I never said “editing realtime multiple tracks of video”, don’t put words in my mouth – just basic selection editing cuts-only, then converting to codec of choice for further work. I’ve seen several people using this way with Premiere CS4 on OSX and apps like EDIUS Neo 2 or Sony Vegas on PCs. So yup, a policy decision. Obviously I better get looking into Premiere now, I do most of my work in AE anyway after base edits.

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[Tom Wolsky]

Yes, you really should be in Premiere.

FCP is designed as an editing solution, including realtime, multitrack playback; it’s not designed purely as a front end for compositing. Perhaps those aren’t your needs, but those will be the needs of most other users.

FCP is totally QuickTime based. If you consider that a policy decision, so be it, but that decision, I guarantee you, is not going to change.

All the best,

Tom

Class on Demand DVDs “Complete Training for FCP6,” “Basic Training for FCS2” and “Final Cut Express Made Easy”
Author: “Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials” and “Final Cut Express 4 Editing Workshop”

[Martti Ekstrand]

AVCHD is designed by Sony and Panasonic primarily for camera acquisition, Canon joined pretty quick and now most video camera manufacturers have models using it. A basic native editing of AVCHD material is in rising demand, even for pros. I’m actually somewhat surprised that it wasn’t added to FCP with this release. Isn’t Apple supposed to be on the forefront of things? Nvidia supports it with CUDA. Per example through this realtime plug-in for Premiere and Vegas: https://www.divideframe.com/

This is a policy decision, not true technical limitations. Or Apple engineers are really lagging behind in tech know-how.

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[Russell Lasson]

[Martti Ekstrand] “Well the proxy addition is nice but that can be one very long conversion session for me before even starting to edit the AVCHD footage as I can have upwards of 40-20:1 ratios.”

What? Really? Up to 20-40 hours of rendering for one hour of AVCHD? Did you mean something different?

You’ll be very glad to know that I did some tests last nigh with AVCHD on my MacBook Pro 2.4Ghz. It imported at about 1.5:1 and maxed out the processors on import. Haven’t tested it yet on a 8-core tower, but it should be faster than real-time importing.

I also then tried doing a little edit and doing a batch capture from ProRes Proxy to ProRes HQ and it worked great. It even deleted the unused sections from the clip to really bring down the size and transfer time. This is a very slick workflow.

-Russ

Russell Lasson
Colorist/Digital Cinema Specialist
Color Mill
Salt Lake City, UT
http://www.colormill.net

[Arc Nevada]

Bjoern Adamski,

I disagree. You can edit native AVCHD at full frame rate and full resolution using PP CS4. You can cut, paste and trim with a cheap $600.00 PC but you can not add effects. I would like to think that a Dual Quad Mac Pro would allow for CC and transitions of native AVCHD. I am sure a Dual Quad PC could. When I was in film school back in 1994 our video editing system allowed for simple A/B editing from deck to deck and the Steenbeck was even harder to use. Cutting and pasting? Try cutting and splicing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhp4NsJFRpU

If your a film student using AVCHD a lot then PP CS4 might be your best option. That is not to say it is better than FCP but rather PP CS4 might work better with your equipment.

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[Sébastien Farges]

DAMN !!!!!

I’m editing for YEARS on FCP and now I have to edit my GH1 AVCHD material on Premiere CS 4.1 !!!!!
And the video monitoring of AVCHD on Premiere is BAD !
WHY ? On Toast player the monitoring of AVCHD is PERFECT !

DAMN

[Tom Wolsky]

Why do you have to edit AVCHD in Premiere? Why not convert it an edit it in FCP the way most people do?

All the best,

Tom

Class on Demand DVDs “Complete Training for FCP6,” “Basic Training for FCS2” and “Final Cut Express Made Easy”
Author: “Final Cut Pro 5 Editing Essentials” and “Final Cut Express 4 Editing Workshop”

[Dennis Radeke]

Why is the monitoring of AVCHD on Premiere Pro bad?

[Marcel Bell]

Hi!
Here the same problem importing avchd.
Only AIC and Prores (noneHD) is avaible… what can I do?

Thanks a Lot!

[Andrew Silk]

for the record, avchd in premiere 4.1 even on a 8 core 2.8 mac pro still sucks. Give me back my FCP!

Andrew Silk
Visual Storyteller