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[Jeremy Garchow] “[Chris Harlan] “Actually, multiple GPUs worked just fine on FCS3.”
Mmm, OK. I’ll go with “just fine”.
It certainly didn’t offer anything in terms of performance gains like CS6/Resolve can do today.
“No. Definitely not. In fact, I’m guessing I have to remove my ATI card to get optimal 285 performance, as Premiere isn’t seeing it (though AE is.)
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[Chris Harlan] “No. Definitely not. In fact, I’m guessing I have to remove my ATI card to get optimal 285 performance, as Premiere isn’t seeing it (though AE is.)”
Yep. I’ll go with busted. 😉
Just kidding.
Jeremy
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[Jeremy Garchow] “[Chris Harlan] “No. Definitely not. In fact, I’m guessing I have to remove my ATI card to get optimal 285 performance, as Premiere isn’t seeing it (though AE is.)”
Yep. I’ll go with busted. 😉
Just kidding.
“Busted? No, its actually a conundrum. I like having all those monitors. Having a Cintiq hooked up can be pretty useful. And Mercury software playback with Pr is robust. I am curious about the enVidia card and it might offer, but I’m not sure its worth the trade. I’d like to figure out why Mercury sees it in AE but not in Pr.
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[Walter Soyka] “Sidebar — let’s say there’s some new Mac Pro sizzle core action days away from release. Who here will place an order immediately? Who here used to buy Mac Pros, but will now stick with iMacs or MBPs instead?”
Same question to you, Walter. Are you considering a Mac Pro purchase on day zero?
Thanks,
Shawn
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[Chris Harlan] “Nope. I think I just learned how to do it by reading the cow, while letting others bleed their knuckles for me.”
Sounds interesting but I’m out of slots. Maybe if Tim could kick his brother in law the next time he sees him if he reads this.
Robert Brown
Editor/VFX/Colorist – FCP, Smoke, Quantel Pablo, After Effects, 3DS MAX, Premiere Prohttps://vimeo.com/user3987510/videos
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[Robert Brown] “Sounds interesting but I’m out of slots. Maybe if Tim could kick his brother in law the next time he sees him if he reads this.”
Glad to oblige. 🙂
Of course my sister will beat my ass to the ground, but I’m willing to take one for the team.
Tim Wilson
Associate Publisher, Editor-in-Chief
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[Andrew Richards] “You know who else doesn’t publish roadmaps? Everyone. “
That’s just not true. Microsoft and HP are among MANY companies who do. We’ve had a couple of threads about this, but here’s a summary of one of them.
At Microsoft’s equivalent of the WWDC, they presented their plans of Windows 8 in 2009, complete with an overview of key technologies. Their roadmap included the news that Windows 8 would be shipping in 2012. They were widely mocked for this at the time, but whaddya know, Windows 8 in 2012 is looking pretty likely, and while there are more technologies than were announced, there aren’t fewer.
Why? Because when you have a massive cloud of hardware partners, they need to know this kind of thing. They have a massive cloud of software partners who are making more than tiny apps that sit on phones.
Remarkably, MSFT also includes a roadmap for product EOLs, and it goes out years in advance. In fact it’s separated into sales and support. (We’ll stop selling it in year X, we’ll stop supporting it in year Y.)
So this may not meet your standard for something different than “nobody,” does Apple publish a 3 year OS roadmap? Is there a chart for EOL timelines? No? Well, at least one OS company does both.
HP publishes road maps all the time. Not for everything, but for plenty of lines, including, yes, EOL timelines. The e3000 server line’s EOL was announced 5 years in advance (!!!), under the assumption that people are doing real business with these things and are going to need a smooth transition.
And this wasn’t a massive product – MAXIMUM size of 146 gigs. I think most people reading this might have more than that. The idea is that you could pile up a bunch of ’em — up to 20 of ’em for a total of 3TB. Again, I think quite a few of you have more than 3TB, but you certainly know that it’s within reasonable financial reach.
The point is that the product wasn’t a lot of money for HP, but it was important for a key class of customers.
Here’s the amazing thing: the EOL was announced 5 years in advance, but they kept the product alive for NINE years because people liked it so much.
Sound familiar? No, it doesn’t, because Apple doesn’t keep products alive longer than planned based on popular demand.
Loads o’links here, including PowerPoint slides (woo-hoo!!):
https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/335/28367And a follow-up here:
https://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/335/28400As I concluded that post, “I can come up with more examples of companies in other parts of the broadest meaning of “our industry” who are very open about their roadmaps, just as I can come up with companies whose lips are sealed tighter than a tomb. But HP and Microsoft seemed like good comparables to Apple’s place in the ecosystem, and couldn’t be more different in their approach.”
Tim Wilson
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[Tim Wilson] “HP publishes road maps all the time. Not for everything, but for plenty of lines, including, yes, EOL timelines. “
Can you point me to HP’s Z series workstation roadmap? I couldn’t find one googling.
[Tim Wilson] “That’s just not true. Microsoft and HP are among MANY companies who do.”
Sigh. Fine. Yes, MSFT also does roadmaps. They also don’t make PCs, so I don’t really think it is relevant to getting a roadmap for hardware (which I noted that Intel does), but I didn’t equivocate enough in my post, and for that I apologize.
So let’s try again.
Vis a vis hardware and specifically the classes of hardware Apple sells, none of their PC industry peers publishes a roadmap for future products or EOL. And you’ll recall Apple did issue an EOL for the Xserve, though only by a few months.
[Tim Wilson] “Sound familiar? No, it doesn’t, because Apple doesn’t keep products alive longer than planned based on popular demand.”
Apple has a long-standing policy regarding the support period for their products. Your example for HP is a non-commodity hardware platform dating back to the 70s that would have been used in big enterprise settings to support very old legacy software. Can you say the same about HP’s modern x86 stuff? Particularly the Personal division stuff?
[Tim Wilson] “HP and Microsoft seemed like good comparables to Apple’s place in the ecosystem, and couldn’t be more different in their approach.”
I agree they are necessarily very different in their approach and indeed are very different in their business model as well. Apple’s secrecy sucks for businesses trying to use their products, build around their products, sell their products. I just tire of seeing Apple criticized on a curve. They deserve criticism for many things, but carrying on the same policy about discussing future products they have always had is low on my list.
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[Tim Wilson] “HP publishes road maps all the time.”
And in one rather high-profile case right now, it is causing them a bit of trouble. Oracle seems to think HP is lying to its customers about the future of their Itanium-bsed HP-UX servers.
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[Andrew Richards] “Oracle seems to think HP is lying to its customers about the future of their Itanium-bsed HP-UX servers.”
It seems like your trying to have it both ways. First you say HP doesn’t have a roadmap, now you say they have one and it’s causing them trouble. How can it be causing them trouble when they don’t have one?
On the other hand, while the corporate lawyers might prefer the secrecy route, I’ve never liked dealing with companies run by lawyers. The fact that HP might have some trouble because they were intent on sharing information with their customers makes me want to be one of their customers too.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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