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New Mac Pro
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[Herb Sevush] “It seems like your trying to have it both ways. First you say HP doesn’t have a roadmap, now you say they have one and it’s causing them trouble.”
I already apologized and narrowed my scope to the classes of products Apple deals in. Apple does not deal in large enterprise infrastructure, so when companies that do issue roadmaps for those business units, I don’t consider that relevant to the discussion of Apple’s practices for its products. If HP is publishing roadmaps for its PCs, that’s different. I can’t find anything like that in my searches though.
[Herb Sevush] “The fact that HP might have some trouble because they were intent on sharing information with their customers makes me want to be one of their customers too.”
You want them to tell you they are going to continue building something even when they know they won’t? That’s the charge that Oracle is making and the reason Oracle is dropping support for HP-UX.
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If he’d only said 1.7.
Robert Brown
Editor/VFX/Colorist – FCP, Smoke, Quantel Pablo, After Effects, 3DS MAX, Premiere Prohttps://vimeo.com/user3987510/videos
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Last one, I swear.
[Tim Wilson] “At Microsoft’s equivalent of the WWDC, they presented their plans of Windows 8 in 2009, complete with an overview of key technologies. Their roadmap included the news that Windows 8 would be shipping in 2012. They were widely mocked for this at the time, but whaddya know, Windows 8 in 2012 is looking pretty likely, and while there are more technologies than were announced, there aren’t fewer.”
They were mocked because prior to that they had a pretty terrible track record sticking to their roadmaps around that time. Remember Longhorn?
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[Andrew Richards] “[Tim Wilson] “That’s just not true. Microsoft and HP are among MANY companies who do.”
Sigh. Fine. Yes, MSFT also does roadmaps. They also don’t make PCs, so I don’t really think it is relevant to getting a roadmap for hardware (which I noted that Intel does), but I didn’t equivocate enough in my post, and for that I apologize.
So let’s try again.”
No, I don’t think there is any need to try again. Microsoft might not make PCs, but PCs are made to their specifications, and their OS software is crafted in response to the observations and needs of the PC makers. Its a very useful and open relationship, and one that used to make me snicker at the hypocrisy of Apple’s 1984 commercial.
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[Andrew Richards] “They were mocked because prior to that they had a pretty terrible track record sticking to their roadmaps around that time. Remember Longhorn?”
That mocking echoes down the years. LOL
Just because you got a roadmap don’t mean you don’t get lost.
Tim Wilson
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[Shawn Miller] “Same question to you, Walter. Are you considering a Mac Pro purchase on day zero?”
Nope.
A year ago? Absolutely. Today? Not so much. I’m not ruling out a future Mac Pro purchase, particularly for Smoke 2013, but I won’t be jumping on this one immediately.
I’m keeping my current Macs, and I’ll buy more in the future — but I’ll need a compelling reason to pick up Mac Pros instead of iMacs or MBPs.
Now that I’ve gone cross-platform, I don’t have to settle for the most powerful Mac. I can get the most powerful computer.
If Apple surprises me with a monster sizzle core beast, vastly improved GPU support, and a proper workstation that rivals the Z-series, then we’ll revisit, but even then, I don’t see myself going all-Apple again any time soon. Running Macs and PCs side-by-side has been working out really well.
Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
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[Jim Wiseman] “Life is too short to screw around with Microsoft. Fool me once…”
How many times does Apple get to fool you? 😉
Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
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Apple has never fooled me. I never used FCP as my primary editor even though it stole most of the market from Avid. I used Avid and then Media 100. Used FCP for the things only it could do, like run the AJA ioHD with Mac laptops for broadcast quality output and machine to mahine conversions with my Mac Pro/Kona. FCPX was a surprise, but it didn’t fool me. Many here seem to really like it. Apple has always pioneered new ways of doing things. I never thought Apple would abandon the Mac Pro, and it appears they haven’t. The Xeon’s they appear to be using just hit the market, after all.
As an Apple video VAR for ten years, and the exclusive Avid dealer (and one of two Media 100 dealers) here in Hawaii for many years, I’ve installed over 200 of the highest end Macs up through the Mac Pro era, including my own, as I now do production work exclusively. The ten Windows systems from what was a high end manufacturer (Intergraph, now gone) that I installed for customers with a PC based editing system I sold later gave me more trouble than all of the Macs combined.
Apple has always surprised, not “fooled”. Just look at the history of introductions that people thought were crazy that Apple pioneered that were eventually copied (inelegantly, in my opinion) on Windows systems. Including the concept of “windows” themselves. Let alone the hardware innovations. I won’t bother to list them, starting with dropping the floppy drive. This Mac Pro craziness has more to do with the nervousness engendered by FCPX than it does the Mac Pro release schedule.
Maybe Windows has improved, it must have, but I am more than happy with the performance of my 2010 Mac Pro, and the software/OS I run on it. I will upgrade to the new one when my warranty (with on site service) runs out. Windows did “fool me once” and I don’t intend to try it again. It cost me time and real money. The reliability of the Mac and it’s operating system, with, for me, more than adequate performance and continued Mac Pros backed up by the best portables, Macbook Pros, both with Thunderbolt expansion will, save me the time and headaches I used to spend “fooling” with Windows.
To each his own.
Jim Wiseman
Sony PMW-EX1,Pana AJ-D810 DVCPro, DVX-100, Nikon D7000, Final Cut Studio 2 and 3, Media 100 Suite 2.1, Premiere Pro 5.5 and 6.0, AJA ioHD, AJA Kona LHi, Avid MC, Hexacore MacPro 3.33 Ghz 24Gb RAM GTX-285 120GB SSD, Macbook Pro 17″ 2011 2.2 Ghz Quadcore i7 8Gb SSD, G5 Quadcore PCIe -
[Walter Soyka] “How many times does Apple get to fool you? ;)”
Apple has never fooled me with hardware beyond that they can change things with little advance notice The machines themselves generally tend to be well designed and reliable and, when pushed, will replace things that are faulty.
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[Jim Wiseman] “Apple has always surprised, not “fooled”.”
Jim, as a long-time Apple user and advocate myself, I intended my remark to be lighthearted — but you make a very interesting point here.
I think that surprises can make fools of us. Ask anyone with a substantial investment in FCP Legend or FCSvr.
Dropping the floppy drive, switching to Intel — some surprises are good. EOLing a product that has gained dominance over an industry without offering a smooth transition to its successor — some surprises are bad.
[Jim Wiseman] “To each his own.”
Agree 100%. I’m really not trying to push Windows on anyone. Macs are better fits for some people.
I’m just trying to point out that Windows is a viable alternative in a way that I don’t think it was in years past, and that many of the old objections that Mac users had to Windows are no longer relevant. That certainly doesn’t mean it’s the right choice for everyone, and as we are all big boys and girls, we are all capable of making the best decisions for our specific needs. As you said, to each his own.
Cheers,
Walter Soyka
Principal & Designer at Keen Live
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
RenderBreak Blog – What I’m thinking when my workstation’s thinking
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