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Mark Maness
July 24, 2009 at 1:17 pmWhoa! Slow down, Erik.
The real differences you are seeing are a budgetary standing… FCS3 has a full price of $999, whereas the other software packages that do this high-end sort of thing you are wanting are a much higher price range.
Think about it.
While the things you are wanting are reasonable, Apple does have to look at a price point for themselves and for us.
Maybe the UI could use some work, but it works well for most of us. There will always be someone who wants more than they can get. Realtime alpha channels would be nice and there are lots of things that we need such as optical flow inside of FCP. Let’s be reasonable about this.
Give Apple time… As the popularity of FCP grows in Hollywood, so will the software.
Personally, I’d love to see closed captioning added as a track and use of third-party captioning files on the timeline… But I’m sure that’s a future thing that will eventually come down the road.
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Wayne Carey
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Jeremy Garchow
July 24, 2009 at 1:20 pm[Wayne Carey] “Realtime alpha channels would be nice “
ProRes 4×4 has a real time alpha.
[Wayne Carey] “Personally, I’d love to see closed captioning added as a track”
From the what’s new:
Closed captioning support
Final Cut Pro 7 offers expanded support for closed captioning — including both Line 21 for SD and VANC for HD video. You can preserve captioning data when you capture tape sources, and use popular third-party captioning software to create new captions as needed. New options let you output video with captioning to tape as well as to formats for web playback. -
Kevin Monahan
July 24, 2009 at 3:03 pmJust to qualify this, your mileage may vary according to the power of your machine and the sequence codec. In other words, DV NTSC might work in real time but Uncompressed HD might not.
Kevin Monahan
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Mark Maness
July 24, 2009 at 3:30 pm[Jeremy Garchow] “Closed captioning support
Final Cut Pro 7 offers expanded support for closed captioning — including both Line 21 for SD and VANC for HD video. You can preserve captioning data when you capture tape sources, and use popular third-party captioning software to create new captions as needed. New options let you output video with captioning to tape as well as to formats for web playback.”Well… Its always been able to preserve the caption track from a captured source in our facility. But I’d like to be able to include a caption file like a file that comes from our caption software to use in FCP to create a complete air copy with captioning, without having to use our encoder (which is SD only).
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Wayne Carey
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Devin Crane
July 24, 2009 at 3:39 pm“Well… Its always been able to preserve the caption track from a captured source in our facility. But I’d like to be able to include a caption file like a file that comes from our caption software to use in FCP to create a complete air copy with captioning, without having to use our encoder (which is SD only). “ – Wayne Carey
Not sure what’s new with the update, we’ve been doing this for years with Mac Caption. Export a black video file with Closed Captions at the top and bottom, import it into FCP, crop all but the top line, lay it over our program in our sequence and print it to tape. We’ve been doing this for 4-5 years now.
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Mark Maness
July 24, 2009 at 3:55 pmYeah…. That’s the way to do it, BUT its tough to convince the money folks to spend another $3k for the software when we already own the CPC Caption software on the PC.
It would be nice to be able to plug in the CPC file right into FCP on a caption track or something.
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Erik Lindahl
July 25, 2009 at 1:40 pmWell the thing is FCP is starting to feel a bit “works for most” in a lot of aspects. It feels very “patched”. It doesn’t feel like a full OSX “citizen”, more like a cross-breed of the old and the new. I guess i was hoping that after 2 years+ in the cooking pan big things would actually change but evidently they haven’t. And this I think can scare people a bit – so in 2 more years we get what, an option of 7 ProRes codecs where one works on a our iPhone?
Yes, FCS3 brings new stuff to the table but I was hoping for far more and the areas I find frustrating at the moment haven’t been looked into at all. Some areas of FCP are shocking at the moment. Odd rendering bugs with complex sequences, the speed feature is a joke and audio filters are way below par for instance. All are areas Apple SHOULD excel in with Shake, Motion, Logic and Sound Track Pro in their back-pocket.
And something like a UI that works is important for the over-all experience and efficiency when working. I don’t understand why this hasn’t been unified across the Studio Applications (Color I get won’t be very “Apple-friendly” for quite some time since it is a coloring-suite). FCP is quite buggy in it’s appearance and function at the moment actually.
Erik Lindahl
Freecloud Communication
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Alan Okey
July 25, 2009 at 2:49 pm[Erik Lindahl] “All are areas Apple SHOULD excel in with Shake, Motion, Logic and Sound Track Pro in their back-pocket.
And something like a UI that works is important for the over-all experience and efficiency when working. I don’t understand why this hasn’t been unified across the Studio Applications (Color I get won’t be very “Apple-friendly” for quite some time since it is a coloring-suite). FCP is quite buggy in it’s appearance and function at the moment actually. “
Erik – I couldn’t agree with you more, especially about the UI. Check out my other post / rant in the forum:
https://forums.creativecow.net/thread/8/1045063
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Erik Lindahl
July 25, 2009 at 4:05 pmYes… The timeline / keyframe features are extremely buggy and out-dated. The “base” is there but it all needs to be reworked quite a bit.
Look at After Effects how a keyframing and curves UI should be done. Speaking of curves, where is our curve filters color correction filter? The color correction tools in FCP are nice but they could use some major improvement and round-tripping to Color isn’t the answer to every project.
Erik Lindahl
Freecloud Communication
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Kevin Hamm
July 30, 2009 at 2:41 amHey Devin, I’m wondering if you would be able to post about your workflow for closed captioning, and how it might change with FCP7? I’m doing a local college coaches show this year (something I did in 2007 as well) and have to have it CC’d, which is new. I’m researching and trying to figure it out, but it seems a mess from the get go, and I don’t have much time.
Anything would be helpful.
kev~!
Kevin Hamm
Video, Web, Print and coloring books.
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