New FCPX user, what’s all the hate about?

[Jeremy Garchow]

[Herb Sevush] “Unless the prices have changed, that get’s you 1 PCIe slot, which won’t cut it if you have an I/O card and a raid card. It was around 1K for a multi-slot extender if I remember correctly, and that’s per workstation. Which still leaves you with a single CPU machine and no flexibility for GPU. Which will work fine for a great majority of the users but has left others out in the cold.
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It’s two PCIe slots (it holds two cards).

We can sit here and argue about theoretical bandwidth and performance, and whatever, but I have a capture card and a fibre card in one of these things, and there is nothing that I can’t do.

Don’t knock. Try.

[Jim Wiseman]

Herb, ~$480 gets you two slots. OWC Helios 2. Works for my AJA LHi and many others, if needed, and at the moment two Accelsior PCIe 960GB SSDs which also have two eSATA ports each. More detail in my other post.

Jim Wiseman
Sony PMW-EX1, Pana AJ-D810 DVCPro, DVX-100, Nikon D7000, Final Cut Pro X 10.2.1, Final Cut Studio 2 and 3, Media 100 Suite 2.1.6, Premiere Pro CS 5.5 and 6.0, AJA ioHD, AJA Kona LHi, Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4K, Blackmagic Teranex, Avid MC, 2013 Mac Pro Hexacore, 1TB SSD, 64GB RAM, 2-D500, Helios 2 w 2-960GB SSDs: 2012 Hexacore MacPro 3.33 Ghz, 24Gb RAM, GTX-680, 960GB SSD: Macbook Pro 17″ 2011 2.2 Ghz Quadcore i7 16GB RAM 250GB SSD

[Herb Sevush]

[Jim Wiseman] “Herb, ~$480 gets you two slots. OWC Helios 2.”

I stand corrected. Love me some OWC.

Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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nothin’ attached to nothin’
“Deciding the spine is the process of editing” F. Bieberkopf

[Tim Wilson]

[Jeff Markgraf] “I think I recall my mother saying, in a similar context, “My, what a lovely thing to say.” Or something along those lines…

But then, she never visits the COW.”

Hey man, the COW is nothing but pegs and holes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP_68prpJK0

[Andrew Kimery]

[Tim Wilson] “Waiting for FCPX to catch up to their needs, or interests, was one thing. I really do think that more people saw the lack of meaningful updates to FCP, the arrival X, and delays to a new Mac Pro as a handful of straws…but the Mac Pro was the final one.”

I’m going to add to this slightly because I think it’s something that is glossed over when people complain about the people complaining about Apple. It was a culmination of events over many years, not a single event, that led to such strong feelings. Many people waited since FCP 6 for a significant FCP update and about the same amount of time for a significant update to the Mac Pros. During all that waiting they were also making contingency plans (checking out Avid, PPro and PCs).. By the time Apple released its new products the seemingly quick reaction by some wasn’t knee jerk, but just putting their long awaited upgrade plans in to action after finally seeing what Apple had to offer.

For the people complaining about Apple abandoning them, I think they misunderstood the nature of their relationship with Apple. Apple never made FCP, Mac Pros, Shake, etc., for YOU. Apple made FCP, Mac Pros, Shake, etc., for THEM and you just happened to like it too. You and Apple serendipitously shared the same path for a time but you each still had your own final destinations in mind. New products Apple made for themselves no longer appealed to some users so the traveling partners split ways (Tim’s fork in the road). FCP Legend and FCP X are both Apple’s vision of what an NLE should be just like the nMP and the Old Mac Pro are both Apple’s vision of what a ‘pro’ desktop machine should be. Whether or not Apple’s vision and your vision still overlap is a completely different question.

Another thing I find interesting about this is the lack of awareness that some people exhibited. I’m not going to name names (and no, I’m not thinking of anyone that frequents this forum), but some people that couldn’t afford Avid back in the day picked up this scrappy/disruptive upstart called FCP and started businesses out of their own homes. Fast forward 10yrs and they have a booming business and maybe even their own facility with employees, and a machine room and all that. Basically, they graduated from ‘little guy with a dream’ to ‘the man’ and FCP Legend had also graduated from upstart to established NLE.

Now here’s where the disconnect seems to come in. After X dropped, many of the emotional outbursts from long time FCP Legend users sounded eerily similar to things that Avid users said about FCP a decade prior. People pissed at Apple said things like, “X is fine for people that can’t afford a real NLE and want to edit out of their mom’s basement” yet many of those same people couldn’t afford a ‘real NLE’ (i.e. Avid) back in the day so they bought FCP Legend and started a home business (which very well could have been run out of their basement).

The inability for some people to take a step back and observe the similarities (and irony) in the situation was astounding to me.

[Aindreas Gallagher]

[Jim Wiseman] “Have shot two decades of cultural footage in the Pacific Islands and video art pieces that date back to the mid ’70’s. Doesn’t pay much, but is work that needs to be done.”

You’ve mentioned this before – was always slightly riven with jealousy. Sounds nice: cultural footage… pacific Islands.. I mean, God, but there’s a ring to that.
David Lawrence seems to have been having a fine time with art installation work for quite a while too.

mad jelly like.

https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics

[Jim Wiseman]

Aindreas,
My wife does botanical work in the Pacific Islands (world expert on breadfruit, Mutiny on the Bounty, etc. Big potential as future food source) so I have been able to travel with her doing video and photo documentation since the mid ’90s. Video synthesizers since 1970 at CalArts, Chicago Art Institute, PBS Chicago and independently in SF. David and I have many friends in common, especially in San Francisco where he still lives and most of my production and a lot of the video art work was done. Just met him in person in SF recently. Lots of fun stories!

Jim Wiseman
Sony PMW-EX1, Pana AJ-D810 DVCPro, DVX-100, Nikon D7000, Final Cut Pro X 10.2.1, Final Cut Studio 2 and 3, Media 100 Suite 2.1.6, Premiere Pro CS 5.5 and 6.0, AJA ioHD, AJA Kona LHi, Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4K, Blackmagic Teranex, Avid MC, 2013 Mac Pro Hexacore, 1TB SSD, 64GB RAM, 2-D500, Helios 2 w 2-960GB SSDs: 2012 Hexacore MacPro 3.33 Ghz, 24Gb RAM, GTX-680, 960GB SSD: Macbook Pro 17″ 2011 2.2 Ghz Quadcore i7 16GB RAM 250GB SSD

[Jim Wiseman]

BTW, you’re a poet, Aindreas…

Jim Wiseman
Sony PMW-EX1, Pana AJ-D810 DVCPro, DVX-100, Nikon D7000, Final Cut Pro X 10.2.1, Final Cut Studio 2 and 3, Media 100 Suite 2.1.6, Premiere Pro CS 5.5 and 6.0, AJA ioHD, AJA Kona LHi, Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4K, Blackmagic Teranex, Avid MC, 2013 Mac Pro Hexacore, 1TB SSD, 64GB RAM, 2-D500, Helios 2 w 2-960GB SSDs: 2012 Hexacore MacPro 3.33 Ghz, 24Gb RAM, GTX-680, 960GB SSD: Macbook Pro 17″ 2011 2.2 Ghz Quadcore i7 16GB RAM 250GB SSD

[Charlie Austin]

[Michael Gissing] “Charlie & Bill not only moved on but were delighted”

FWIW, I still Use 7 occasionally, and Premiere quite often. I prefer X, but f they killed it today I’d just keep grinding away on Pr. or whatever. I don’t have *that* deep an attachment to a bunch of ones and zeros. It’s a tool. New ones come and go all the time.

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~”It is a poor craftsman who blames his tools.”~
~”The function you just attempted is not yet implemented”~

[Tony West]

[Sebastian Alvarez] “Yet, in less than a day I was editing on it like a champ,”

I had the same experience. I didn’t bother to even read or watch anything on it. Just jumped in.
(I wish I had though now)

[Sebastian Alvarez] “I have no problem at all with using that Color Corrector as opposed to the 3-way one found in most NLEs,”

I found it about as straight forward as could be to use. Something looks a little yellow, slide over to that color and drop it down.

The other thing that I noticed right off the bat was how good the quality out of it looked. They had made improvements on that and it showed.

There was also this belief by some that Apple was walking away from professionals in this field.

That somehow they wanted 2 iMovies

I never believed that for a minute. I felt like they were going to add stuff back over time. Like they did.