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New FCPX next week?
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[Walter Soyka] “Wouldn’t it be really cool is if Apple could innovate some way to allow these GPUs to interface [link] with their professional computers, so GPU-loving software could take advantage of these advances in technology?”
It’s already possible to do this with an AKiTiO expansion chassis and dubious drivers. (hack) Is it officially supported? No. Does it take a 20% performance hit in TBolt 2? Yes.
Fingers crossed that it’s supported by the time Thunderbolt 3 arrives. It doesn’t seem too difficult to do so I’m guessing/hoping it’s in the cards.
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[Darren Roark] “It’s already possible to do this with an AKiTiO expansion chassis and dubious drivers… Fingers crossed that it’s supported by the time Thunderbolt 3 arrives. I’m guessing/hoping it’s in the cards.”
Funny you should say “cards.” If Apple could integrate some kind of a “slot” in their pro computers that accepted some kind of industry-standard “card” format for GPUs, why, imagine the possibilities for those GPU-enabled applications!
Don’t mind me, Darren, I’m feeling a little feisty today.
[Bill Davis] “It caused me to imagine such wide pipes that components like the CPU and GPU could conceivably sit in replaceable boxes exterior to “the computer” rather than soldered directly onto a PC Board. “
I get the appeal of a modular system like this. But CPUs and GPUs aren’t soldered on (although Apple might consider it), and while this is a nice idea for future computers, replaceable/upgradable/modular processing and graphics is a solved problem with standard sockets and PCIe slots today.
Internet pipes are widening, too, so there will be a real question of how much compute power is the right amount of compute power to actually own. I’m obviously a champion for sizzle-core workstations, but I’m also a very happy cloud render customer.
Walter Soyka
Designer & Mad Scientist at Keen Live [link]
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FWIW – Apple lists a number of hardware engineering job openings in Austin and Orlando.
Austin is where the nMP is built. The Orlando office is rumored to be a GPU development branch. It’s possible that the next iteration of iMacs and/or nMPs would have Apple-designed GPUs and maybe even CPUs. If so, that development doesn’t come fast, so could be a reason why we aren’t seeing new machines, yet. That could also tie into the talk of a GPU-enabled display. Naturally, all wild speculation at this point.
Of course, if they are working on self-driving cars, maybe they are also working on Siri-powered Roombas! 🙂
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[Bill Davis] “If you had told me when I bought my very expensive “cheese grater” Mac Pro – that in a very few years That system would be a bit of a relic and I’d be making tremendously more complex and vastly higher quality videos on my laptop – I’m not sure I’d have believed it”
There is a reason that workstation owners want upgradable design – far from a relic, my upgraded cheese grater probably exceeds your laptop in both GPU and CPU capabilities. This has little effect on the quality of your videos and I certainly can’t edit while flying between towns. However I can keep leveraging my original (2012) purchase for another few years. Can the same be said of the Trashcan?
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Walter Soyka] “Don’t mind me, Darren, I’m feeling a little feisty today.”
I thought that’s what this place was for! 😉
What I was told by an AMD engineer was “We make the chips, and then Apple takes them and we don’t see them again until they are announced as a product. (That was both telling yet raises more questions.)
The 2013 Mac Pro so far a bigger SSD can be swapped as well as faster CPU and RAM. Yes, no internal HD slots or other internal expansion, they didn’t leave room, but the bare system itself can be upgraded, they just don’t offer parts. (Yep, big problem)
Ultimately my hope is they stick with this slot for the next round and sell updated GPUs as an upgrade, or at least make cards specifically for the 2013. The SSD, RAM, and CPU can be swapped out, they just don’t sell the GPUs yet. (big problem)
I’m wondering if they decided to limit more than 2 GPUs in Yosemite (And Mavericks?) so that there wouldn’t be a zillion “I told you so” articles that TB2 wasn’t up to snuff to the then current PCIe slots.
The performance people are getting with Mac Minis hooked up to a GPU in the hacked expansion box are impressive.
If the rumors are true that the rumored Mac Pro has five T-Bolt 3 busses (10X ports of USB 3.1 and Tbolt3) then it could be possible they would support this again in 10.12. (hoping)
My hope was the 2012 ‘cheese grater’ was going to have Thunderbolt and USB 3.0 built in as a swan song, it didn’t happen. I have helped a few friends turn 2009 MPs into computers that leave my maxed out trash can in the dust which shows there could be a long life ahead of the current trash can.
One can hope.
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[Oliver Peters] “maybe they are also working on Siri-powered Roombas! :)”
Wait! Do you know something specific about that, or are you just spreading rumors?!? Because i want one! 🙂
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[Charlie Austin] “Wait! Do you know something specific about that, or are you just spreading rumors?!? Because i want one! :-)”
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[Charlie Austin] “[Oliver Peters] “maybe they are also working on Siri-powered Roombas! :)”
Wait! Do you know something specific about that, or are you just spreading rumors?!? Because i want one! :-)”
“Hey Siroomba™, please take my cat over there please”
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[Andrew Kimery] “Siri Roomba: “Thanks, I’ll get right on that!””
Then the following year after some AI-learning: “Hey dummy – clean it up yourself!”
– Oliver
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[Oliver Peters] “Austin is where the nMP is built. The Orlando office is rumored to be a GPU development branch. It’s possible that the next iteration of iMacs and/or nMPs would have Apple-designed GPUs and maybe even CPUs.”
Hopefully that’s just more people to make Apple’s custom boards using AMD or Nvidia chips (maybe do a better job to keep them from melting? 😉 ) as opposed to Apple designing it’s own GPU from the ground up.
[Darren Roark] “Ultimately my hope is they stick with this slot for the next round and sell updated GPUs as an upgrade, or at least make cards specifically for the 2013. The SSD, RAM, and CPU can be swapped out, they just don’t sell the GPUs yet. (big problem)”
I don’t think people will be willing to pay what it would cost to buy a customer made graphics card for a such a low-volume machine like the nMP. I mean, Mac versions of off the shelf video cards were always much more expensive than their PC counterparts so for a custom design, like the nMP requires, I’d just guess and say the retail price would be 2-3x higher than the comparable, off-the-shelf counterpart.
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