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New FCPX confirmed for December
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Then I could be as cool as these peeps: https://vimeo.com/70914324#
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god no. Irish there bud. no perfidious albion for me. Tá na sasanaigh alright, ach ní bheidh mé ag déanamh curtsy os comhair an banríon inniú nó amárach.
aside from that –
Funny! I thought well over 70% of americans had an extremely poor view of the tea party – radical extremists demanding a purity of view and hostile to compromise. Not that that goes for anyone in the FCPX crowd you understand – like say compromising on the fact that 4K is a boondoggle dreamt up by hardware manufacturers with a very dubious logic attached.
like phillip hodgetts pretty clearly lays out:
https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “like say compromising on the fact that 4K is a boondoggle dreamt up by hardware manufacturers with a very dubious logic attached.”
People said the same about HD
Steve Connor
There’s nothing we can’t argue about on the FCPX COW Forum
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hodgetts makes a pretty good case – particularly given the kind of low grade spec of 4.2.0 8 bit being applied.
also H265 optimisation can’t nearly compensate for the fact that its an effective bandwidth quadrupling from 1080 – the forecast is 3-4% of US households accessing 4K by 2018. I mean come on.
nevermind that you need to be unrealistically close to a large monitor to realistically resolve the difference. there’s also the studies out there that 720p looks perceptually better than 1080p in most delivery use cases due to being afforded a better compression – that 8 bit banding and block compression error is only going to get worse if they start trying to wedge heavily compressed 4K source down the same line.
who doesn’t think that them sticking with 256 levels of grey per channel at this point is a bit of a joke. they’re not looking to improve the fundamental picture quality – they’re looking to gin up a domestic screen and producer hardware refresh cycle? 1080P is pretty robust picture quality – we’re all sitting on it – and apparently a lot of the panel manufacturers in asia are gnawing their shins – so says hodgetts.
https://vimeo.com/user1590967/videos http://www.ogallchoir.net promo producer/editor.grading/motion graphics
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Our interviews are primarily on green screen. Therefore, when you punch in, you can easily send the background into a greater blur, mimicking the optics of a longer lense. It actually works quite well.
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[Steve Connor] “People said the same about HD”
And they said they same about 3D. So I guess sometimes people are right and sometimes people are wrong. My suggestion is to argue the merits and not worry so much about what “people” say.
In this case I believe the argument is clear – while oversampling is a bonus in production, it’s cost in terms of storage and new equipment can outweigh it’s benefits, especially in long form work.
4K as a native viewer or distribution medium is at least 5 years away from making any sort of appreciable inroad and is highly questionable in terms of it’s benefits in normal viewer situations.
Hodgett’s argument that a saner use of any extended future bandwidth increases would be in larger bit depth is totally on the mark, both in terms of post production and the home viewing experience.
In other words, before we go to 4k, how about going to HD 12 bit 444 for production and 10 bit for distribution, where a viewer could actually see the difference on any size screen.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Aindreas Gallagher] ” the fact that 4K is a boondoggle dreamt up by hardware manufacturers with a very dubious logic attached.”
Thanks for the link, Phil nailed it perfectly.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Herb Sevush] “And they said they same about 3D. So I guess sometimes people are right and sometimes people are wrong. My suggestion is to argue the merits and not worry so much about what “people” say.
“3D was never going to work in Broadcast.
[Herb Sevush] “4K as a native viewer or distribution medium is at least 5 years away from making any sort of appreciable inroad and is highly questionable in terms of it’s benefits in normal viewer situations.”
This is true, I would say more than 5 years, benefits are really visible in screens over 55in, but how many people have those?
[Herb Sevush] “In other words, before we go to 4k, how about going to HD 12 bit 444 for production and 10 bit for distribution, where a viewer could actually see the difference on any size screen.”
Nice thought, never going to happen.
Steve Connor
There’s nothing we can’t argue about on the FCPX COW Forum
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[Aindreas Gallagher] “god no. Irish there bud. “
That was tongue in cheek… I know you’re Irish. One half my family came from Ireland. The Brit’s still consider us the colonies. A British friend of mine celebrates July 3rd as “last day of British rule”.
[Aindreas Gallagher] “Funny! I thought well over 70% of americans had an extremely poor view of the tea party – radical extremists demanding a purity of view and hostile to compromise.”
In this country we have a phrase… “there’s lies… damn lies… and statistics”. Don’t believe what you read from the non-existent media in this country…
Mitch Ives
Insight Productions Corp.“Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.” – Winston Churchill
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[Steve Connor] “3D was never going to work in Broadcast.”
While you and I might agree on that subject, if you go back 3 years or so on these forums you would find many many well informed folks who thought otherwise. Tim Wilson for one. Those folk were the “people” in that case.
I don’t think 4K is an exact replication of that phenomenon because 4K has some absolute benefits in production; over sampling almost always does. I see places where I might selectively use it next year, the way I used to shoot title elements in 35mm for 16mm productions 40 years ago because the oversampling negated the generation loss in creating titles. But just like back then, I don’t see many long form shows that will accept the budget increases to over sample an entire production.
[Steve Connor] “Nice thought, never going to happen.”
The story of my life.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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nothin’ attached to nothin’
“Deciding the spine is the process of editing” F. Bieberkopf
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