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New Adobe Creative Cloud Debate Forum
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[Craig Seeman] “A long while back I thought it would be good to make this forum about industry trends which is really what it’s become. Consider how the CC debate ignited here even though it may have been happening in the Premiere forum as well.
“For sure. I think this forum HAS been about industry trends for a very long time. That’s why most of us still show up. Tim’s just holding the name hostage because he’s full of devilment (you know you are!) but we became something else a long time ago.
[Craig Seeman] “Of course as a forum manager it’s probably much more attractive to views to have a proper place that people scouring the web for discussion, can find.
“No. Its devilment.
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[Tim Vaughan] “This will probably require another bookmark in my bookmark manager, and I’m just not sure I’m ready to commit to that… :)”
But the question is, will you sync that bookmark to the cloud, or will you just keep it perpetually in a local bookmark backup folder?
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[Mathieu Ghekiere] “I would keep all discussion here.”
Going through some of the posts in the other debate forum, it has turned personal pretty quickly.
I’m not sure I can handle it all again. This forum is, mostly, a pleasant place to be.
If history is any indication, it will get worse before it gets better.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Mathieu Ghekiere] “I would keep all discussion here.”
Going through some of the posts in the other debate forum, it has turned personal pretty quickly.
I’m not sure I can handle it all again. This forum is, mostly, a pleasant place to be.
If history is any indication, it will get worse before it gets better.
“Yes, I think that exists right now as a drainage system to channel the rage so that regular support discussions can continue on the Adobe forums. And maybe on this forum, too. I agree with you. I think we should discuss it because it is a significant industry move, but the last two days of ROID RAGE is about all I can take. The changes Apple made with X opened up so much discussion about the way forward, that something was able to flower from it. I don’t think thats going to be the case with this particular CC issue.
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[Chris Harlan] “I think we should discuss it because it is a significant industry move, but the last two days of ROID RAGE is about all I can take. The changes Apple made with X opened up so much discussion about the way forward, that something was able to flower from it. I don’t think thats going to be the case with this particular CC issue.”
What seems to be lost os that there is actual improved software on the other side of the CC release.
It just doesn’t seem to matter.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “What seems to be lost os that there is actual improved software on the other side of the CC release.
It just doesn’t seem to matter.”
Perhaps that’s why the release is still a while away, they’re waiting for the dust to settle
Steve Connor
There’s nothing we can’t argue about on the FCPX COW Forum
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[Jeremy Garchow] “What seems to be lost os that there is actual improved software on the other side of the CC release.
It just doesn’t seem to matter.
“Yeah, its sort of sucked the discussion away from the tools. Maybe we can get back to those next week.
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Here’s why I’m inclined to keep the Debate forums separate:
1) They’re different debates.
The one there is basically, “Q: Why are you changing licensing? A: We think it’s best for you and us. Q: Nuh-uh. A: Yuh-huh.” Not meaning to make judgments or be overly reductive, but there’s a short half-life for that kind of thing.
Here, from the beginning, it was for all the marbles. Workflows, careers, self-identity, and blowing up the entire industry to start over.
Unless it wasn’t. But that’s where the debate began, and very quickly expanded to take in, well, as Steve’s sig says, everything.
This one’s about everything. That one’s about one thing.
2) They’re different communities.
How many of you post regularly in the Premiere and AE forums? If not, there’s my point. If so, then you know what I’m about to say, which is that many of the people in those forums have online and even in-person relationships that go back years, and they may never have set foot in THIS forum once.
Turns out that some people hadn’t been using FCP at any point in the proceedings, and still don’t much care one way or the other.
Likewise, plenty of FCP folks don’t use AE enough to frequent those forums, and feel like they’re finding what they need about Premiere Pro right here.
They’re not just forums. They’re communities of their own.
3) I try to manage as little as possible.
Both because I’m a lazy bastard and because it works.
When I started at the COW, there were many topic-specific boards with lots and lots of sub-boards, and some of these guys had more traffic than the entire COW on their own. Now, some of them are simply gone, and none of them has a tenth our traffic. Maybe combine them. What we’re doing by is mostly working. We only create new subforums slowly, when it seems to us that most of you think it’s necessary.
Related to both this point and #2, I’ve moved the conversations as little distance as I possibly could. FCPX or not debate stuff? Goes in the FCPX-originated forum right next door. Creative Cloud debate stuff? Goes right next to the Premiere and AE forums.
We anticipate overlap, but in the long run, that’s preferable to overmanagement. I can imagine a day when they might be better combined too, but so far, in trying to respect the organic evolution of each forum and the communities of specific people they represent, it’s making sense to me to keep them as two different discussions.
As always, I’m open to suggestions. Feel free to email me directly, too. But that’s what I’m thinkin’.
Tim Wilson
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Arggg!!!!!! LOL
Tim
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For whatever it’s worth Tim, I agree. Different problem. Arguably a different community. I’m glad the Cow started this forum if for no other reason than that it gives folks an option other than Adobe’s official support forums. I saw a long discussion in another thread about how filling out Adobe’s wish list was a better option than any other. It most certainly is an option and I would encourage people to do it. Just as much as I would encourage people to post their problems/feelings on independent forums such as the Cow.
Tim
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