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Nesting VS same file type render
Hi Guys!
Just a quick question. My film I am working on is 2 hours 30 minutes. The final Vegas project includes several files that were rendered as separate project. All imported video into these separate project was AVI. So I rendered all the projects as AVI and then imported these AVI’s into my final project timeline. Most of the time during rendering I saw “no compression needed” as I was rendering. Now my question is this. Quality-wise, does this process above (keeping everything in it’s original AVI format) essentially do the same thing as nesting the separate projects into the final timeline? In other words, is rendering separate segments of the film as AVI the same thing as nesting that project into the final timeline?
Also, what happens if there are some MOV files in there and they are turned into AVI during the process.
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Anytime you see “no compression needed”, that’s always a good sign.
That means that footage will not be re-encoded (compressed),
No quality loss and faster render.
If any other file format is in the project, like MOV, they however
will be re-compressed.Steve Rhoden
(Cow Leader)
Film Editor & Compositor.
Filmex Creative Media.
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" is rendering separate segments of the film as AVI the same thing as nesting that project into the final timeline?"Yes, but more work.
Steve Mann
MannMade Digital Video
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Hey thanks Steve and Stephen! I TRULY appreciate your expertise! I must say this site is great! Not only can I get answers and learn how to do new things in Vegas, but I can also help others who don’t know how to do things I do know how to do! A great community here.
Anyway, yes, I figured since I already rendered all my film’s segments into AVO that nesting might be redundant, I should’ve did that instead of rendering AVI’s.
Now let’s say, I have these AVI’s in my final project’s timeline and I add a couple MOV files and WMV files. I realize these will be compressed but when you mix files like that; am I correct in assuming that it’s always best to render in AVI (or MPEG-2 for DVD) to keep those non-AVI segments as best as they can look? I don’t really see a world of difference between AVI and MPEG-2…they both look pretty good.
One last couple of questions I have should be easy ones for you pros. I have imported a clip that is not 4:3 (my archaic ratio) and when I put it in the top track of the timeline (so it appear “over” the video in track 3) I can still see the backgrond of track 3 at the top and bottom of the clip. I tried manually cropping it but it never crops just perfect, you can still see a sliver of the background video. So my question is this, is there some auto-setting I can click to automatically make these clips fill the total frame? I tried clicking on 4:3 in the dropdown menu of the cropping tool, but it still leaves tiny slivers on the left and right, so it’s not really filling the frame. Any thoughts or should I just keep tinkering manually to get it right?
My second question is regarding the text generator. When an entire timeline/project is an opening credits sequence, this is obviously created within Vegas itself. Normally I render in the exact same format as the imported media but in a case with text, where there is no importing involved, what is the best format to render text to use in the final project?
Thanks again guys, you are all amazing here and I am so happy to have found you all!
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I can tell that you have some FCP or Premiere in your background. In Vegas, unlike the three-A’s (Adobe, Apple and Avid) you never have to recompress your media files. Intermediates are generally not necessary. Just drop them on the timeline, edit, done. If your PC is too slow for HD, you may have to use proxies, but that isn’t the same as intermediates.
In general, you shoot and edit in the best resolution you can. You only encode the video to the final format as the last step. One time.
Event Pan Crop has a preset to crop your 4:3 media to 16:9 widescreen.
Steve Mann
MannMade Digital Video
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Hi Steve!
Actually I am not really all that experienced with “computer” editing. I’ve only been at it a few years starting with the terrible Windows Movie Maker, then Edit Magic, and finally I got to a good program with Vegas. Before that I was doing things the old fashioned way, with standalone equipment and a monitor! LOL! I learned Vegas basically through teaching myself through watching many tutorials and awesome forums like this one.
Thanks also for your cropping advice although my problem is the reverse, I need to take letterboxed movie clips and make them fit the frame. I used the preset 4:3 in the cropping tool and although it does change the image, there are still tiny slivers on the edges that I can see the background video moving in. So the 4:3 is leaving a tiny bit exposed to the underlying video. Although time consuming, I can just go through the entire film and recrop them and try again.Of course I could be missing your meaning in your reply…are you suggesting that instead I turn my entire project into LB as opposed to 4:3? I would do that but I was always worried about quality loss in the cropping so I’ve always left my movies in the native 4:3 standard def in which they were shot. Yes, I know, I’m an antique but my Soy Handycam is such a nice camera and it shoots gorgeous footage so I haven’t made the HD jump yet.
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Generally, the Project Properties should match your final output format.
“Although time consuming, I can just go through the entire film and recrop them and try again.”
If you can use the same crop for every event, then do it once and save it as a new preset. Just type in the name of your new preset and click on the “Save” icon.
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MannMade Digital Video
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You’re welcome Louis.
There’s no really best format to render your text to, unless you
are rendering it out separately and would then need to have a Alpha Channel.
Then again you dont need do do a seperate render for texts, you simply
use it there in the final project.Steve Rhoden
(Cow Leader)
Film Editor & Compositor.
Filmex Creative Media.
https://www.facebook.com/FilmexCreativeMedia
1-876-461-9019 -
Thanks Steve!
Well the reason I did the opening credits to my film separately as a separate Vegas project is because it’s a rather complex sequence featuring moving animated text and background video. I had asked in another thread if nesting was the same thing as rendering to AVI and importing. I was told yes but rendering first and importing is more work VS just nesting. However I now nested the opening credits into my final project and I am going to see if that makes the credits even more crisp. I expect the same results as when I imported the rendered AVI of the opening credits but I wanted to try anyway. So as I write this I am rendering the final film again, this time with the open credits project nested directly into the final project timeline. There was some audio missing when I did this but I simply added the audio to another audio track and lined it up. So I will see how this looks in a few hours when the render is complete. I am hoping nesting improves the clarity of the credits as opposed to importing the AVI but only time will tell now. It’s going to take a day or so to render and then burn to DVD to test my theory.
Thanks again for all the help here! You guys are truly awesome to take time out of your day to answer people’s questions here. Kudos to you all! -
Hi guys,
I need some help with my Sony vegas pro 11 . Is rendering my project in two separated files, one video and one audio. Any idea what i should do? Thanks for any advice.
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You will get a lot more responses if you start a new thread.
Steve Mann
MannMade Digital Video
http://www.mmdv.com
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