Nested Sequence Refuses to start at even timecode

[Chris Borjis]

You can directly type in 01:06:00 in the timecode box right above
the RT setting on the sequence but when you hit enter it goes to 01:06:02

[Shane Ross]

Because that is running drop frame code. Those frames are missing. Drop frame code drops 00 and 01 every minute except for every 10th minute.

Shane

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[Walter Biscardi]

[Borjis] “If your zoomed in all the way and go next frame from 01:05:59
it goes to 01:06:02. It refuses to do 01:06:00 even in the
nested sequence.”

That’s correct. There’s a drop frame on that minute so you’re going to start at :02.

Walter Biscardi, Jr.
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[Mark Raudonis]

[Shane Ross] “Those frames are missing”

Just to be clear… it’s not the “FRAME” that’s missing, it’s the NUMBER assigned to it. There’s still the same amount of frames there. If you look at the frames, there is Nothing missing.

Here’s some explanations of Drop frame timecode.

https://www.csif.org/html/dropframe.html

https://www.xowave.com/doc/recording/timecode.shtml

https://www.cinematography.net/Pages%20DW/60i_vs_59.94.htm

There’s probably more confusion and chatter about this issue than almost anything else in post. Rivaled only by Avid vs FCP!

mark

[Shane Ross]

Thanks Mark. NUMBERS.

This is why I don’t teach…

Shane

Alokut Productions
http://www.lfhd.net

[Chris Borjis]

wow, ok.

I thought the dropped code didn’t happen until much later.
We usually only do :60 & :30 tv spots.

so the question is this, how many of you are doing non-drop and how
many of you are doing drop?

I would prefer to stick with whatever works best for longform because
we do those once in awhile and I hate switching all the equipment to
keep it all in check.

At what point does one decide to not use non-drop?

[Tony]

In drop frame mode every minute except for the first and tenth minute will drop zeros at the start of each minute. The frames are not dropped just the zeros representing the first frame at the top of the minute.

If you primarily have done 30 and 60 seconds spots you most likely never noticed the drop of zeroes as you never got beyond the first minute.

Drop frame is used for broadcast applications where the timecode on tape must match actual clock time in terms of running time. The accuracy of when spots are inserted during a program is 100% dependent on accurate running time based on the timecode on tape and a countdown clock (real time).

Non-Drop frame tc is used for non broadcast non critical applications or where the user has no need for drop frame (or is just plain confused about where those missing zeros went).

So when in doubt if the program is meant for delivery to a broadcaster then use drop frame if not inquire if non drop or drop frame is allowed.

Tony Salgado