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Need to deliver 29.97 interlaced but footage is 1080p24
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Jeremy, a little off topic, I have a sequence edited with some XDCam footage shot at 1080p29.97 and want the 23.98 TV spot Masters I have to edit in match the Progressive 29.97 sequence I editing in. Because I know FCP does pulldown incorrectly with 4:2. Is it possible to add 3:2 pulldown to 1080p23.98 material and make it 29.97 Progressive and not interlaced?
Sorry but another side bar, nothing to do with the above:
And just for my understanding, on the interlaced side, when adding pulldown to 23.98p material to make 29.97 Interlaced material, you’re sequence settings in FCP are then 1080i29.97 correct? Or should they be 59.94i? I get the whole FPS vs fields per second thing but why would you bother to have a 59.94 sequence for interlaced material when 59.94 fields, plays at 29.97 frames per second anyway? Or wouldn’t you?OS 10.6.7, Mac Pro 2 x 3 ghz quad-core intel xenon, 4 gb ram and AJA IoHD
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[Matt Campbell] “Is it possible to add 3:2 pulldown to 1080p23.98 material and make it 29.97 Progressive and not interlaced?”
It’s possible, but not advisable. I’d simply add normal 3:2 interlaced pulldown. The motion characteristics will be different for 30p vs the 24p matieral, but the 24p material will look more natural than trying to make progressive 30p with pulldown. An alternative would be to put both kinds in a 720p60 timeline.
[Matt Campbell] “And just for my understanding, on the interlaced side, when adding pulldown to 23.98p material to make 29.97 Interlaced material, you’re sequence settings in FCP are then 1080i29.97 correct?”
After adding pulldown, yes. Your new file will be 29.97 as should your timeline.
[Matt Campbell] “Or should they be 59.94i?”
59.94i fields per second = 29.97i fps.
[Matt Campbell] “I get the whole FPS vs fields per second thing but why would you bother to have a 59.94 sequence for interlaced material when 59.94 fields, plays at 29.97 frames per second anyway? Or wouldn’t you?”
In 1080 HD, they are the same. 59.94 vs 29.97 interlaced are equal. Manufacturers name them differently when they are really the same.
p changes this. 59.94p is really 59.94 FRAMES per second.
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It’s possible, but not advisable. I’d simply add normal 3:2 interlaced pulldown. The motion characteristics will be different for 30p vs the 24p matieral, but the 24p material will look more natural than trying to make progressive 30p with pulldown. An alternative would be to put both kinds in a 720p60 timeline.
So how then would the 1080i29.97 material with 3:2 pulldown (from my 23.98p) work in my 1080p29.97 sequence? I would be mixing the progressive XDCam footage with pulldown added interlaced footage. Will they be happy together?
In 1080 HD, they are the same. 59.94 vs 29.97 interlaced are equal. Manufacturers name them differently when they are really the same.
Thats what I thought. And I wonder why someone was telling me to set up a 59.94i sequence when its actually 29.97. I knew I was right. That dummy. haha
thx man, your always a big help.
Any experience with FCPX yet. How does X handle pulldown. Did they finally get it right like Avid does in mixing frame rates?
OS 10.6.7, Mac Pro 2 x 3 ghz quad-core intel xenon, 4 gb ram and AJA IoHD
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[Matt Campbell] “Will they be happy together?”
They will look different, you know 24p vs 30p. But if you put them on an Interlaced timeline (upper first) they will playback just fine.
[Matt Campbell] “Any experience with FCPX yet. How does X handle pulldown. Did they finally get it right like Avid does in mixing frame rates?
“I’ve been going slow with FCPX, I haven’t used it for paid work yet.. There’s a whole lot that I really really like, but the performance and reliability aren’t ready for prime time. Yes, they finally figured out how to render pulldown correctly.
As I am sure you have read, there’s a bunch of backlash about it, I just see it as a young application. It will get there. At that point, it will be a choice for anyone to make.
I have also been looking at Adobe to keep my options open. I hope SpeedGrade can be a suitable replacement for Color, but I haven’t seen much about it. The Dynamic link system is pretty great. PPro also has it’s quirks.
The great thing is, there’s lots of options. You know what sucks? There’s a lot of options.
Jeremy
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got it. thx
as for X, I just got done watching the atlantacutters.com videos on X, MC and PP hosted by Walter B. It was really interesting to hear about PP and MC.
I haven’t messed with X yet at all. Still in 7 world and loving it. I have zero experience with the others but the new shop I’m at is mostly Avid, with the exception of a few FCs, which is where i live. So I really want to learn MC. And after watching those videos, PP looks pretty nice as well. Being self-taught, it’ll be intersting to see how easy, or not, the others are to work with. It’ll take some getting used to but looking forward to it.
yeah, there are some really interesting reads out there. bunum murray, MTV going back to avid. others using X and finding work arounds. time will tell.
options, nice!
OS 10.6.7, Mac Pro 2 x 3 ghz quad-core intel xenon, 4 gb ram and AJA IoHD
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