NDF DF ERROR MESSAGE

[Aaron Neitz]

You know, I’ve been getting this error at lot lately… I’m high-res conforming other people’s timelines…. but it all looks NDF to me. So I just capture with fatter handles…. haven’t been able to pinpoint the problem, but everything seems to be working just fine

[Adrian Zehn]

Hmmmm…..

I’ve been using Fcp on broadcast projects for over a year now……

And while I’m not an “‘AVID’ is great, ‘FCP’ is crap” guy, the more I use FCP in a professional TV environment with mulitple bays and shared media as well as an offline / online workflow, I’m feeling “AVID” is much better at this, with fewer bugs…..

FCP seems fine if you are using one bay, and not doing a traditional offline / online process…..

AZ

[Ben Holmes]

[Adrian Zehn] “I’m feeling “AVID” is much better at this, with fewer bugs…..”

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[Adrian Zehn]

Hi,

Thanks for the idea…..

I cannot find any settings in FCP related to NDF or DF…..

Perhaps someone knows where any such settings are, if they exist?

Does anyone know if this could be an issue related to HDV & / or DVCProHD1080i & / or Kona LH?

AZ

[Gary Adcock]

[Adrian Zehn] “I cannot find any settings in FCP related to NDF or DF…..”

look in the seq settings. (and you are going to take ribbing here for that answer.)

the error message is because you are capturing 24p material (NDF) from 60i (DF) interlaced consumer camcorder material.

you often get this on re-conforms from an offline 29.97 timeline to a 24p (which is 23.98) online.

gary adcock
Studio37
HD & Film Consultation
Post and Production Workflows

[Gary Adcock]

[Adrian Zehn] “I cannot find any settings in FCP related to NDF or DF…..”

look in the seq settings. (and you are going to take ribbing here for that answer.)

the error message is because you are capturing 24p material (NDF) from 60i (DF) interlaced consumer camcorder material.

you often get this on re-conforms from an offline 29.97 timeline to a 24p (which is 23.98) online.

gary adcock
Studio37
HD & Film Consultation
Post and Production Workflows

[Jeremy Garchow]

Gary, love ya buddy, but FCP is busted somewhere man. I am restoring another project from older stuff (6+ years) that was I’m sure captured in FCP using some sort of dv deck and firewire, some of it is from an old Media100i system and EDLs. I have been getting this error a lot lately and have no idea what to do about it. The footage is not 24p in anyway. It was shot on a PD150 or VX1000. Here’s the kicker, I am now capturing through KOna and RS422. The Kona should be able to pick up the timecode and digitize the clips at either drop or non drop, but alas I get this stupid message. My theory used to be that it was a firewire capture only thing (as that’ the first time I saw it and changed the capture setting to reflect what was going on) but now I am a bit confused. I get what you are saying a bout the 24p thing, but this isn’t the problem.

Jeremy

[Ron James]

[Adrian Zehn] “Hmmmm…..

I’ve been using Fcp on broadcast projects for over a year now……

And while I’m not an “‘AVID’ is great, ‘FCP’ is crap” guy, the more I use FCP in a professional TV environment with mulitple bays and shared media as well as an offline / online workflow, I’m feeling “AVID” is much better at this, with fewer bugs…..

FCP seems fine if you are using one bay, and not doing a traditional offline / online process…..”

Wow, I get nothing but errors in Xpress Pro. I can’t wait to get back to an FCP environment where I rarely get one at all (working on projects with 150 hrs. of material from various sources, on multiple machines, even finishing on Avid).

Then again, I’ve been working on FCP for years, so I probably know the proper workflow and best ways of doing things.

[Gary Adcock]

[JeremyG] “toring another project from older stuff (6+ years) that was I’m sure captured in FCP using some sort of dv deck and firewire, some of it is from an old Media100i system and EDLs”

ah
Remember that in the “old” days it was very common to have the beta SP cameras shoot NDF especially if it was for infotainment or News magazines. I ran across that a couple of months ago on a doc project I was working on.

just a thought, but other than that you got me, unless of course the edls are NDF.

gary adcock
Studio37
HD & Film Consultation
Post and Production Workflows

[Jeremy Garchow]

In this case there are no edits, just capture lists. Some of the tapes of DF some are NDF, FCP gets confused and can’t figure out what to do because it can’t read the tc correctly or something and then FCP tells me that I am going to capture a drop frame tc into a non drop frame clip, that my media management is going to be totally f*cked for the rest of my life, and oh yeah, your clips might disappear and their tc might start over @ 0 after capturing, just randomly. Why? Why can’t it just capture the DF or NDF tc? It’s really annoying. If any of you have any pull, talk to the kind folks at FCP. Keep up the good work guys, but fix the broken stuff.

Jeremy