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NAS Scratch HDD? + Help with editing setup please!
I was wondering if its possible to use a NAS, a Lacie one for instance, as a scratch hdd to capture too. Or does it need to be fw800? What I’m trying to do is put together an offer at work of why we should switch to mac’s for our video editing. We’re currently using a dell laptop to catpure and a maingear desktop to edit. Our camera is a XH-A1.
We do all green screen work so the idea is to capture uncompressed via Matrox MXO2 LE to 17″ Macbook Pro in ProRes 422 to an external. It would be nice for NAS because of other uses we have for it. Then bring back to a Mac Pro to edit using FCP+AE.
Currently we use CS4 PPro,Soundbooth + AE. But we’re getting pretty frustrated with all the CS4 problems we’re having.
Cost isn’t too much of a concern, my bosses just want to make sure we are setting a solid foundation on which we’ll build on. We’ll eventually be having 4 teams with duplicate systems so I’m just trying to do my best with picking out the gear.
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https://forums.creativecow.net/thread/8/1079292#1079426
Wonder no longer. This was discuss a few days ago and is easy to find in a search.
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Took me a few times to read it. I did see it when I searched but for some reason I had to re-read it to understand it. Man it’s getting late :/ Thank you though.
I’ve got another question if you don’t mind. I’m looking at using Matrox MXO2 LE or Motu HDX-SDI, probably Motu because I hear the LE doesn’t support 1080p only 1080PsF. Anyways, that will use up the expresscard slot leaving only the FW800. Recording uncompressed proress 422, will the fw800 have enough bandwidth? I’ve read contradicting things in these forums. I wish macbok pro’s had dedicated eSata, that’d be sweet.
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I’ve had no issues with ProRes 1920 x 1080 on FW800 drives (mostly Lacie & WD).
Don’t know anyone using the MOTU. What are you using to monitor that 1080p is so important. If you are using the card to feed to a video deck, you will need i or psf output anyway.
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[Drew Jensen] “We do all green screen work so the idea is to capture uncompressed via Matrox MXO2 LE to 17″ Macbook Pro in ProRes 422 to an external.”
That statement makes ZERO sense. How can you capture uncompressed in a compressed format? ProRes is a compressed format. Uncompressed, well, is compressed too, but not as much. You cannot capture uncompressed to a FW800 drive. Nor can you with the laptop. IN FACT, Matrox doesn’t support 1080p or 1080i ProRes capture to a laptop either. Because the laptop has to do the processing of the video signal to ProRes, and to do that you need a QUAD processor. That means you need a tower.
FYI, I have captured ProRes 422 1080i with my MXO2 and MacBook Pro 2.4Ghz, but never longer than 2 min shots. I would NOT rely on this for ProRes capture ONLY. I’d roll tape too.
I would assume that the MOTU has the same issue, as it too just passes the signal to the computer and relies on the computer for ProRes conversion. And then there is the AJA IO Express, that will also connect to a laptop, but also has that ProRes limitation.
Only the AJA IOHD supports ProRes 422 and HQ with a laptop. Because it has the ProRes encoder built in. And since it attaches via firewire, that frees up your Express34 slot for an eSATA connection. BUT, you can capture ProRes to a FW800 drive. But, as I said, I haven’t gotten more than 2 min at a shot. Typically I drop out between 10 seconds and 1 min.
If cost isn’t a concern, and you are reliant on a laptop, then I recommend the IOHD and then an eSATA drive with eSATA Express34 adapter card. But know that you can’t use the IOHD to monitor HD when using COLOR. FCS doesn’t support firewire monitoring in HD from Color. But the MOTU and MXO2 will work, as they connect differently.
Always a give and take…
Shane
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If you want to use a ProRes workflow, maybe look at an AJA Ki Pro for capture instead of a laptop? There’s a forum here about it, too.
Walter Soyka
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Wow shane, thanks for the information. The more things that cleared up, the deeper down the hole I go in not understanding, but I want to. I’m starting to see what your saying, but I have a few question for you if you don’t mind.
So, with the XH-A1, I’ll be capturing by the component which feeds 422, then if I capture it using the regular ProRes 422 (not proxy or lt), it will have regular 422 color sampling correct? And for green screen work, this is worth the extra step rather than capturing HDV via camera firewire…right? And if I do capture the component signal to the ProRes 422, I will be ok bandwidth wise scratching it to fw800, correct?One other question, if capturing component from XH-A1 at 422, is it worth it to try and upgrade the camera to one that has HD-SDI out? From what I understand, at that point, it’s analog vs. digital. So if any suggestions on camera under 5K-6K would be nice.
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[Drew Jensen] ” if I capture it using the regular ProRes 422 (not proxy or lt), it will have regular 422 color sampling correct? “
If you bypass the HDV compression…yes, it will. Direct from camera to ProREs is a GOOD thing.
[Drew Jensen] “And for green screen work, this is worth the extra step rather than capturing HDV via camera firewire…right?”
Abso-fricken-lutely.
[Drew Jensen] “And if I do capture the component signal to the ProRes 422, I will be ok bandwidth wise scratching it to fw800, correct? “
SDI if you can…HDMI too. If not, Component. And yes, that will work with FW800. Best to get a raided FW800 drive like the Caldigit VR or G-Raid 3.
[Drew Jensen] “if capturing component from XH-A1 at 422, is it worth it to try and upgrade the camera to one that has HD-SDI out?”
Does it not have HDMI out? THe MXO2 takes HDMI in, as does the Kona LHi and IO HD.
HD SDI out on a camera in that range? HPX-170. And that can record to DVCPRO HD, which is 4:2:2 native already.
Shane
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[Drew Jensen] ” if I capture it using the regular ProRes 422 (not proxy or lt), it will have regular 422 color sampling correct? “
If you bypass the HDV compression…yes, it will. Direct from camera to ProREs is a GOOD thing.
[Drew Jensen] “And for green screen work, this is worth the extra step rather than capturing HDV via camera firewire…right?”
Abso-fricken-lutely.
[Drew Jensen] “And if I do capture the component signal to the ProRes 422, I will be ok bandwidth wise scratching it to fw800, correct? “
SDI if you can…HDMI too. If not, Component. And yes, that will work with FW800. Best to get a raided FW800 drive like the Caldigit VR or G-Raid 3.
[Drew Jensen] “if capturing component from XH-A1 at 422, is it worth it to try and upgrade the camera to one that has HD-SDI out?”
Does it not have HDMI out? THe MXO2 takes HDMI in, as does the Kona LHi and IO HD.
HD SDI out on a camera in that range? HPX-170. And that can record to DVCPRO HD, which is 4:2:2 native already.
Shane
GETTING ORGANIZED WITH FINAL CUT PRO DVD…don’t miss it.
Read my blog, Little Frog in High Def
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