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  • Herb Sevush

    March 7, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    [Bill Davis] “But I could certainly ignorant of wider choices.”

    Edius, from Grass Valley (you might have heard of them) has fairly good penetration in the broadcast news markets.

    Media 100 still exists, Boris now owns them.

    oh, and I hear FCP7 is still out there as well.

    Herb Sevush
    Zebra Productions
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    nothin’ attached to nothin’
    “Deciding the spine is the process of editing” F. Bieberkopf

  • Bill Davis

    March 7, 2013 at 8:12 pm

    Honestly the largest “issues” come from those who just can’t escape the very natural urge to view the new thing through the lens of the old thing.

    It’s like learning a new language by constantly asking “we say BOAT in English, what’s the word in the new language. I totally get that. But in editing, if you do things that way, the very language you use can be the very problem because your starting point is A WAY of operating. And if the goal is to explore a NEW way of operating, then you’re limiting your thinking.

    Those of us who “liked” X from the start were often those of us who were most willing to revise our habits, NOT merely learn how to do the same things we did before X, within X.

    The more you fight X and try to shoehorn it into your traditional habitst, the more i think you’ll will struggle. the evidence of that are the folks who pop up looking for X to add “comfort” features so they don’t have to rethink processes. Dual windows, patching, color correction that works “more like Devinci” – all pleas to make X more like the comfortable past.

    But the odd thing is, on the far side of the learning curve, many of those things are far less important to me than they used to be. I’m no longer making the same types of programs I used to. I’m making smaller, tighter, (hopefully) more impactful videos. I’m making them more often. I’m also doing radio spots, business presentations, TV Spots, incorporating stills and motion graphics more. And I’m distributing most of that directly to clients out of FCP-X as exports in the form of video or audio web exports..

    Other competing software solutions do all of these things as well. But X approaches the workflow and the process plumbing differently, and I think in a more modern way.

    It still feels fresh and fast to me. Concentrating on doing the most critical parts of modern content creation really, really efficiently and well.

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  • Craig Seeman

    March 7, 2013 at 8:50 pm

    I can’t stress how much I agree with you Bill.
    I can come up with a score more analogies but it seems some people simply want FCPX to be FCP8.
    Personally I want a trackless NLE. I’d prefer a different way of organizing things than tracks.
    Those who like tracks have many choices. For me, I only have one and I don’t want to lose that to tracks.

    Those of use who liked FCPX from the earliest days so a potentially viable approach to editing even at a time when it was bereft of important features.

    In my school days there were subjects that were often infused with words in languages other than English for example. Psychology and Sociology I remember often used German expressions for some concepts. Sometimes another language is better at explaining things than an awkward translation.

    Some might not like X because it’s missing features. Some might not like X because they don’t like the language of the “new paradigm.” I do want the new and improved features to be in the new language though.

    Hmm, one might say that one must Grok FCPX 😉

  • Herb Sevush

    March 7, 2013 at 9:25 pm

    [Craig Seeman] “some people simply want FCPX to be FCP8.”

    Yes.

    [Craig Seeman] “Those who like tracks have many choices. “

    But for my workflow,none as good as FCP7, let alone FCP8. As much as I would like otherwise I’m still stuck here in orphan land for at least another year. I care about your choices just about as much as you care about mine.

    [Craig Seeman] “Hmm, one might say that one must Grok FCPX”

    Heinlein would be pleased.

    Herb Sevush
    Zebra Productions
    —————————
    nothin’ attached to nothin’
    “Deciding the spine is the process of editing” F. Bieberkopf

  • Craig Seeman

    March 7, 2013 at 10:16 pm

    [Herb Sevush] “But for my workflow,none as good as FCP7, let alone FCP8. As much as I would like otherwise I’m still stuck here in orphan land for at least another year. I care about your choices just about as much as you care about mine.”

    In that regard the race may be between Adobe Premiere Pro and Editshare Lightworks (I don’t think Avid has the R&D resources). I know that feels like a “hurry up and wait” approach but that’s even the case with us FCPX users. They’re all missing key features that FCP7 had. It’s closing in on two years since the official EOL of FCP7 and consider that it’s been closer to 4 years since FCP7 hit the market. That’s the reason, I think, why so many aren’t moving yet. For what it’s worth I think it’ll be a while before any one NLE really covers all the bases as well as FCP7 did… even though some NLEs always did some things much better than FCP ever did.

  • Marcus Moore

    March 8, 2013 at 1:49 am

    I hope the FCPX dev team can put it’s best foot forward this year and show how they’re going to solve some of the few remaining key issues. I think, like Herb, a lot of FCP7 users are still holding on to the existing platform.

    In that respect, Apple has it’s own “WindowsXP” problem. Convincing people to move off the old system and onto the new. Undoubtably, some will choose to go to a different platform when they finally leave FCP7. But I think this is the key year when FCPX will make it’s case for the hanger’s on.

    A new MacPro and another substantive update would, I think, go a long way towards calming peoples fears.

  • Dennis Radeke

    March 8, 2013 at 11:20 am

    [Craig Seeman] “the race may be between Adobe Premiere Pro and Editshare Lightworks”

    Really?

  • Craig Seeman

    March 8, 2013 at 4:15 pm

    Yes

  • Chris Harlan

    March 8, 2013 at 4:20 pm

    I fear I share Dennis’ incredulity at such a statement.

  • Aindreas Gallagher

    March 8, 2013 at 4:33 pm

    No, I’m afraid not Craig. That is an un-buyable statement.

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