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My God! what has Apple done!
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They are supposed to get what will work for them now. This software is so freaking inexpensive (Avid, Adobe, Apple) there’s little to stop a pro from jumping around from app to app using the one that suits the task at hand the best. I come from a world of million dollar rooms which did less than FCP 3, and cost the price of FCS 3 PER HOUR to rent… so 2k or less for an NLE sure seems inexpensive to me.
Like if you had an AJA card, you could easily use Premiere with it now, FCP 7 at the same time NOW, and I’ll bet before too long FCP X with it. Avid may well also support a Kona before long I hear from Wally. Smoke (more costly, but also a premiere finishing solution, does things the “affordable NLE’s can just dream about) supports 3G cards now as well. So… there’s where it’s at. Apple will be silent. If you can’t deal with that buy something you can deal with.
FCP 7 licenses may well be on ebay all over the place if all the FCP X haters dump FCP… right? They will not be hard to come by don’t think.
Jerry
Apple Certified Trainer, Producer, Writer, Director Editor, Gun for Hire and other things. I ski. My Blog: https://blogs.creativecow.net/Jerry-Hofmann
Current DVD:
https://store.creativecow.net/p/81/jerry_hofmanns_final_cut_system_setup8-Core 3.0 Intel Mac Pro, Dual 2 gig G5, AJA Kona SD, AJA Kona 2, Huge Systems Array UL3D, AJA Io HD, 17″ MBP, Matrox MXO2 with MAX – Cinema Displays I have a 22″ that I paid 4k for still working. G4 with Kona SD card, and SCSI card.
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DRW –
You are so gosh darn diplomatic.
Herb Sevush
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[Jerry Hofmann] “FCP 7 licenses may well be on ebay all over the place if all the FCP X haters dump FCP… right? They will not be hard to come by don’t think.”
Hey Jerry!
A serious question on what you’ve written above, that honestly is an enormous cause for concern. It appears that Apple is may render FCS 3 useless just as quickly as they can, by making it impossible to update to a useful working version. If indeed that does prove to be the case, illogical as it seems, what would say then?
The bottom line is, Apple in it’s infinite wisdom is making no statements about their future support for FCS 3 installations and the company’s policies pertaining to software these necessary updates. And, every indicator seems to imply they intend to leave their huge user base completely stranded. What’s your feeling on this?
I understand that as one of the chosen few who were given advanced access to the software, you may be reluctant to speak out on some issues for fear of losing your privileged status, but isn’t this tremendously important topic worth your 2-cents, especially in light of your statement above?
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
https://www.drwfilms.comDon’t miss my new tutorial: Prepare for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
https://library.creativecow.net/weiss_roth_david/FCP-10-MAC-Lion/1POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™
Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Business & Marketing and Apple Final Cut Pro forums.
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Hi David. In response to your post to me…
“You’re brand new to this site”
No, I’m not. I haven’t posted in sometime admittedly but I frequent this site quite often.“and by your own admission you neither bought or tested FCP X, yet you’re suddenly qualified to influence readers by characterizing this new product as “AWESOME!”?”
And?! So. I think what’s there from what I’ve been reading in the help manual IS AWESOME! Aren’t I allowed my opinion?
“Wading in on this or any other subject on which you have zero experience is not a good way to establish yourself here, nor does it do service to anyone.”
Okay, now you’re being rude. Wading in? Zero experience? You don’t know me from Adam – David. Establish myself here? Really as what? A guru? I simply posted MY OPINION based off the information I searched out in the help manual. And I found what I was looking for. Commented about it and that’s that. Sorry if I’ve offended YOU.
“With all the experience you claim, it would behoove you to reserve issuing advice to others on FCP X and anything else until you have gained at least some firsthand experience with the product.”
What advice did I give that’s DETRIMENTAL (as you imply) to someone potentially buying this product? Are you suggesting that someone would by this product based off my post? Without reading or doing research themselves? And so what if they do? If they buy it and don’t like it that’s on them. Not me. Are you just annoyed that I’m liking what I see in FCPX and not screaming about what IT CAN’T DO YET?
“Does this make sense to you?”
David, I’m not sure if you’re aware of the condescending tone of your post but I certainly don’t appreciate it. And for the record I’ve read a number of your post and reply’s to people and although you SEEM knowledgeable about SOME of the topics – YOU’RE VERY, VERY condescending, patronizing and above all RUDE.
Maybe YOU should think about those things before you post.
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Making it useless would hurt Apple more than help… they’d not sell new OS’s as quickly for one thing. They’d not sell new Macs to those who want to run FCP 7. I don’t see it being dropped for a while… There’s nothing in FCP 7 that would preclude it from running in Lion don’t think. FCP 7 is highly carbonized code which will run on intel machines and OS X for the forseeable future. If Apple were to jump to AMD chips instead, I still don’t think there would be a problem…
The change from PPC machines to intel machines caused us all to have to trade up to a new mac to run FCP 5? was it? We seemed to take that in stride as things progressed. intel machines had been around for a couple of years before the latest version of FCP required it. Nobody screamed then… I see the same thing happening with FCP 7… at least a couple of years before it won’t be supported by the latest machines.
Again though, if you wait and see, you’ll be able to make a better judgement down the line. If you decide today to jump to a new NLE… go for it. I just think that FCP X is so more an advanced application under the hood, that down the line, we’ll really embrace it.
Hey, nobody says you’ll lose a client over running FCP 7 for a while yet, and nobody says you can’t just keep the system setup you have now and continue on. If you can’t, don’t.
Do what you need to do to keep your business running, but don’t freak out just yet. The story isn’t over, nor will it ever be. I for one will not be jumping to another NLE because FCP X disappointed me. FCP 7 will reside on a partition on my Mac for a while yet, EVEN IF I went to Adobe or Avid, I’d keep it for opening legacy project files. Even Automatic Duck software doesn’t translate everything that was in an FCP 7 sequence.
I will be in the market for a new Tower when the next gen towers are delivered. (soon I hear) and have no doubt that this tower will run FCP 7… Even Apple has told me they thought it would take at least a year before most of the user base switched to FCP X way back in January. They KNOW that not everyone is ready to go to FCP X, and will still be running FCP 7. They sure don’t want to not sell those folks a tower running LIon this summer… Doesn’t make sense for them to do so as it wouldn’t work to help them sell new software that the Pro’s aren’t buying anyway, and only serve to irritate them and get them to jump to Adobe or whatevcer… It helps them to sell machines and OS’s that still support older software.
For the first time, I’m seeing all those cores crankin’ and it’s turning me on. It’s just the beginning. It’s just the foundation, it’s not over until the fat lady sings. Ya know?
Jerry
Apple Certified Trainer, Producer, Writer, Director Editor, Gun for Hire and other things. I ski. My Blog: https://blogs.creativecow.net/Jerry-Hofmann
Current DVD:
https://store.creativecow.net/p/81/jerry_hofmanns_final_cut_system_setup8-Core 3.0 Intel Mac Pro, Dual 2 gig G5, AJA Kona SD, AJA Kona 2, Huge Systems Array UL3D, AJA Io HD, 17″ MBP, Matrox MXO2 with MAX – Cinema Displays I have a 22″ that I paid 4k for still working. G4 with Kona SD card, and SCSI card.
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[Reed Black] “I simply posted MY OPINION based off the information I searched out in the help manual.”
You called this product “AWESOME” having researched Apple’s manual, and you wonder why I question that advice to someone here on the Cow seeking reliable, professional advice for their television station?
Perhaps if you research Apple’s marketing brochures you’ll find other helpful words of advice for those in need of help?
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
https://www.drwfilms.comDon’t miss my new tutorial: Prepare for a seamless transition to FCP X and OS X Lion
https://library.creativecow.net/weiss_roth_david/FCP-10-MAC-Lion/1POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™
Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Business & Marketing and Apple Final Cut Pro forums.
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Well put Jerry. My sentiments exactly!
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With all due respect, Jerry, and thats a lot, you can’t call FCX a 1.0 release. It’s not. It says so right here on the splash screen. Final Cut Pro 10 – unless you think they misplaced the decimal point? If it’s version 1.0, then call it Whizzy Editor Pro 1.0 or something else.
You can’t have it both ways. If you’re going to claim it’s Final Cut 10, then you can’t excuse the removal of those features and say cross your fingers and hope they come back in Final Cut 11. The fact is, they released this and killed the old version. It’s a new release, not a new program. It really doesn’t matter how much of the code they replaced.
What’s so surprising about this is that Apple have always been so smart about major transitions in the past. Witness 68000->PPC, OS9->OSX, PPC->Intel. Heck when they released the considerably feature reduced iMovie 08 (sound familiar anyone?), they gave people a free download of iMovie 06 to ease the changeover until they added back the missing functionality.
All of those transitions were handled with far more finesse than this FCX debacle.
Patrick
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Maybe Steves health issues have prevented him from being such a guiding force with this product…..?
Tom Daigon
Avid DS / FCP / After Effects Editor
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Why release as it is? Maybe they didn’t think it would upset them all as much. Maybe they thought we’d have a more mature and professional attitude toward the new foundation (that’s how they presented it, and that’s how I see it). They were wrong apparently. I like what I’m seeing. I miss what it doesn’t have, but for the most part, this looks friendlier than FCP 7 ever did, and if that makes a pro think he’ll lose clients to it because it’s easier to learn or just anybody can now get into the game (that actually happened a decade ago with FCP intro), then that editor doesn’t believe in his own worth, what HE brings to the project.
I think that software doesn’t make shows. People do. A great editor will be hired because he makes great edit decisions, not because he runs this or that software. A great editor brings something to the project that you won’t get without him, right?
The beta tester thing… All software from any manufacturer is beta until the next full release. The only true “release” software is the version which was updated last just before the next full release of new beta software… right?
Jerry
Apple Certified Trainer, Producer, Writer, Director Editor, Gun for Hire and other things. I ski. My Blog: https://blogs.creativecow.net/Jerry-Hofmann
Current DVD:
https://store.creativecow.net/p/81/jerry_hofmanns_final_cut_system_setup8-Core 3.0 Intel Mac Pro, Dual 2 gig G5, AJA Kona SD, AJA Kona 2, Huge Systems Array UL3D, AJA Io HD, 17″ MBP, Matrox MXO2 with MAX – Cinema Displays I have a 22″ that I paid 4k for still working. G4 with Kona SD card, and SCSI card.
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