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  • MXF support

    Posted by Wolf on April 22, 2008 at 5:19 pm

    Hi,

    still no answer from BMD.
    So here again my question:
    Will BMD support XDCAM (MXF files in DVCAM, IMX and HD) in the near future?
    (PPro 3.2.0 support XDCAM and i can import
    files in a decklink project, but i have to render them)

    Thanks

    Claus-Peter Wolf

    Alexander Falk replied 18 years ago 4 Members · 9 Replies
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  • Alexander Falk

    April 22, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    that’s a final cut issue, not bmd.

    apple don’t wants you to directly edit mxf-files.

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  • Wolf

    April 22, 2008 at 9:12 pm

    Thanks anyway, but i work with Premiere Pro and they support mxf 🙂 and i hope BMD will also do it in the near future.

  • Alexander Falk

    April 23, 2008 at 12:32 pm

    that’s the point.

    bmd is not responsible for bringing mxf-support into final cut.
    apple has to do this.

    the only thing bmd can do is to support the wrapped codecs. e.g. xdcam

    in case of premiere, that’s adobe bringing in mxf-support.
    bmd is only responsible for the output via the card, no matter which container is used!

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  • Wolf

    April 23, 2008 at 2:35 pm

    Hi Alex,

    thank you for answering or not answering my question!

    Only thing i want to know, if bmd will support xdcam to output via their card without the need to render it!!!
    (i don´t need to know anything about Final Cut!)

    brrr….

  • Jane Light

    April 24, 2008 at 9:01 am

    Exactly, So BMD is not responsible, is Matrox responsible then because you do not have to render MXF files when using AXIO. I think BMD should reply to this post or aren’t they responsible for that either.

    Jane

  • Alexander Falk

    April 24, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    did you ever tried to run axio with final cut?
    no, becuase it doesn’t work that way.

    mxf is the container. -> apple’s problem
    xdcam is the codec. -> bmd’s problem

    mxf can also wrap many other codec’s: dvcprohd, hdv, dnxhd, jpeg2000, fjpg, uncompressed, tif, tga, bmp …….
    so the handling of this codec’s is done by bmd.
    the handling of mxf is done by apple.

    still the same.

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  • Yves De muyter

    April 24, 2008 at 5:41 pm

    Don’t forget that this could very well be BMD’s problem. BMD is in control in Adobe Premiere to make sure anything can play realtime without rendering or not.

    Don’t worry, BMD will do the right thing, it will only take some time and enough people to request the feature.

    -Yves

  • Jane Light

    April 24, 2008 at 11:10 pm

    I think you missed my point. If Matrox can have a product in the market that supports MXF without rendering, and many people are learning how fast it is to film and ingest using MXF files. Wouldn’t it make sense that if you want to continue selling products into the market, you adapt to your product like your opposition has had to do, so you can compete.

    PS Not everyone is using Final Cut

    Jane

  • Alexander Falk

    April 25, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    I absolutly understand what you’re meaning.
    But we’re talking about two different things.

    1st thing is the container, which has to be supported by the software e.g. premiere/final cut …
    2nd thing is the codec, which has to be supported by card-manufacturer.

    the fact of not rendering clips in the timeline does not depend on hardware being connected.
    if you disconnect you matrox-, bmd- or aja-device the software doesn’t change their behaviour of rendering/playback.
    if you take for e.g. xdcam-material, playing it without video-card doesn’t require rendering when the timeline is set correctly to the codec-specifications.
    your video-hardware doesn’t change the software-behaviour!
    you can also play e.g. redcam, bmp, tga, tif without rendering in the timeline!
    but if your hardware doesn’t support the codec you will not see anything on your broadcast-monitor.
    this is absolutly independent from the container your using e.g. mxf.

    conclusion:
    container-support is application-problem.
    codec is video-card-problem.

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