Murch and NLEs from IBC

[Oliver Peters]

[Ronny Courtens] “But I felt I needed to set this straight to keep the discussion honest.”

Thanks. Good to hear.

– Oliver

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[Tony West]

[Oliver Peters] ” his letter seems to be”

But you don’t know for certain what he is discussing with them? You are guessing?
Maybe you could get in touch with him and ask him about the details.
I’m curious.

[Oliver Peters] “his company rents DIT systems and quite a number of Media Composer systems, because that best serves his market and customers.
“

could be, but he is dong a good job demoing his product on X
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyLTMgtE_PY

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[Tony West]

[Oliver Peters] “[Tony West] “If I need help and ask Apple for it and they respond to solve my problem.
”

PS: By that definition many – maybe all on this list – have received direct help from Apple through their Feedback page. I don’t view that as the same thing in the context of this conversation.
“

You didn’t really answer my question. Why was Cioni sending that letter in the first place. Do you KNOW or are you guess like anybody could do?

[David Roth weiss]

Because he was concerned he’d chosen the wrong NLE for the job and he needed help.

David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist & Workflow Consultant
David Weiss Productions
Los Angeles

David is a Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Apple Final Cut Pro forum.

[Oliver Peters]

“But you don’t know for certain what he is discussing with them? You are guessing?
Maybe you could get in touch with him and ask him about the details. “

No I haven’t discussed that specific with him. My interaction with him was to interview him for a story on workflow (“Dragon Tattoo”, IRC). So, here I’m only going on what he said in this presentation. Quite frankly, it’s not really that important to me what the letter said.

And sure, he’s a great advocate for the product and as I said before, uses it personally. BUT his business is built around Quantel finishing and DIT tools developed in-house, not FCPX.

Oliver

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Orlando, FL
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[Oliver Peters]

“You didn’t really answer my question. Why was Cioni sending that letter in the first place. Do you KNOW or are you guess like anybody could do?”

As I said in the other post, I’m going by what was said in the video. I really don’t care what the letter said, because many people who have a contacts at Apple sent and continue to send similar inquiries and feature requests through various channels.

I know that at that time (before “Focus” started shooting) there were HUGE holes in the FCPX feature film workflow, which were filled by third party developers. These continue to be holes that Apple has chosen not to fix. That’s why I drew attention to his mention of also appealing to Intelligent Assistance as part of this letter. Remember that at that stage there were no tools for EDLs, change lists, syncing, reports, audio transfer to Pro Tools, etc. These tools were either created in response to the need after this point or were just in the beginning development stages. So it seems pretty clear to me this was an appeal to address those issues, which in the end have been augmented by third party developers, not Apple.

This whole rabbit hole of a discussion seems to have started with the presumption that if Walter Murch had reached out to the Apple team he would have gotten exactly the same level of support that Adobe is providing. I just don’t believe that’s the case. It hasn’t been true historically and doesn’t appear to be true now. Is there some sort of interaction? Sure. Is it direct connection with seeded advanced versions of the apps to use in the production, maybe, but everyone seems to make a point that they were working with release versions of FCPX. Murch was given an advance look at X before it was launched and from that presentation, he said (paraphrasing), “Apple still likes us. But do they love us? I don’t know.” 🙂

Oliver

Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
http://www.oliverpeters.com

[Tony West]

[Oliver Peters] “This whole rabbit hole of a discussion seems to have started with the presumption that if Walter Murch had reached out to the Apple team he would have gotten exactly the same level of support that Adobe is providing. I just don’t believe that’s the case. “

It didn’t really need to be a ribbit hole really. Ronny ended it with his comment about Apple listening to his big company.

You accepted that from him.

My point is that I believe if they listened to Ronny’s company they would listen to Murch as well.
That’s all.

Now climb out of the hole : )

[David Lawrence]

[Tony West] “My point is that I believe if they listened to Ronny’s company they would listen to Murch as well.
That’s all.”

If I may inject myself into this subthread 😉 I think the larger point here is even if Apple did listen to Murch, it wouldn’t matter; because the fundamental design decisions behind the FCPX timeline don’t work for Murch’s needs. Unless you think they’d add audio tracks if he asked 😉

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[Tony West]

[David Lawrence] “If I may inject myself into this subthread 😉 I think the larger point here is even if Apple did listen to Murch, it wouldn’t matter; because the fundamental design decisions behind the FCPX timeline don’t work for Murch’s needs. Unless you think they’d add audio tracks if he asked ;)”

I hear you, I don’t think they would bring back tracks for him.

I would like to see if he changed his mind about X and using it if he knew more about it.

We won’t truly know unless he decided to really kick the tires.

I’m going to use it even if he never does though hehehe

[David Lawrence]

[Tony West] “I would like to see if he changed his mind about X and using it if he knew more about it.

We won’t truly know unless he decided to really kick the tires.”

I’m willing to bet he has tried it. An editor of Murch’s caliber and experience doesn’t need to cut a feature in it to know it’s not gonna work for him. It becomes clear pretty quickly, especially if you need your NLE to treat audio with as much flexibility as video. Audio is a second-class citizen on the FCPX timeline. As long as that remains true, I think it’s unlikely editors like Murch will be interested.

[Tony West] “I’m going to use it even if he never does though hehehe”

Hey, even I use it too. Just not the timeline part, lol. Choice is a great thing! 🙂

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