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Multicam using sequences instead of clips? :D
I recall this being a big gripe about FCP multicam when it first came out. Haven’t used it in a year, so hoping a solution has been found 😀 (scrubbing through forums in meantime).
So basically multicam is supposed to only be used with clips. On this particularly nightmarish project, there are 2 cameras with trigger happy fingers, in that there’s ALOT of stopping/recording/stopping/etc…
We’d like the editors to be able to do a multicam edit for scenes where we had both cameras recording the same scene. Thus, we currently have one sequence, the footage (recorded using time of day timecode) laid out with video TC matching timeline TC, synced up with 4-6 audio tracks from seperately recorded sound (which was also using time of day TC and saved as broadcast wave files).
So, what would the next step be? I’m imagining that I somehow need to make all of this into a ‘clip’ (e.g. merged clip) before I can use it in multiclipping, but i’m unable to figure it out. On the flip side, my entire process could be wrong (by all means say so!).
To make things more complicated, it is absolutely CRITICAL that all affiliate clips (e.g. subclips) are referring back to the original master clip at ALL stages of the process. This is so that proper onlining/up-resing can be done. Help! 😀
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[phill_r] “So, what would the next step be? I’m imagining that I somehow need to make all of this into a ‘clip’ (e.g. merged clip) before I can use it in multiclipping, but i’m unable to figure it out.”
Export that sequence as a QUICKTIME MOVIE…a reference movie, so don’t click SELF CONTAINED…and then reimport that clip. Then you should be able to multiclip those together.
Shane
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Shane,
How do they then track back the original clips for onlining?
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Are you doing a traditional offline/online workflow? Sorry, I didn’t know that. This won’t work for that. Sorry, I haven’t done that in a while. I work full res, all the time. DV and DVCPRO HD.
Did you capture your footage at offline RT? Or at a lower res than the originals?
Hmmmm…that is tougher. But I thought that with FCPs multicam you could intersperse clips in there, to make up for the gaps? I might be remembering that wrong.
Shane
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thanks for the tip. for some reason, when I try to make a quicktime reference movie, the file is VERY large (self-contained unchecked). the timeline is one hour in length, but only ~40 individual clips (that number is video clips + audio from the video x 2 for stereo + seperately recorded audio). when making a reference for both video and audio, the file is 4 GB!!!
On an Avid i’ve made quicktime references before and they were only a couple hundred KB for a sequence with hundreds of cuts.
Also incase anybody asks, i’m synced each camera’s footage on it’s on timeline with the intention of eventually doing only a 2 ‘angle’ multicam edit, rather than highlighting all the clips and doing multicam edit with 10-20 ‘angles’.
Also, ‘old fashioned’ editing where you overlap the two angles and cutaway from one to reveal the other will be VERY tricky since there would then be 12+ audio tracks on the timeline at any given moment.
as a halfway solution, is there someway i can create a merged clip from 1 video track, and 2 different audio CLIPS that are on the same track (there is a gap between the clips)? and of course the merged clip must link back to the master files, thus know it has 5 source files (1 video, 2 x 2 mono audio files)
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….. and i just totally didn’t answer your question, sorry shane! I was recently brought onto this project because of it’s immense complexity, so i’m not 100% sure on the entire workflow. It was shot on DVCPro50, being digitized at DV NTSC. I’m not 100% familiar with format technalities either, but I did hear that the final edit is being up-ressed to a higher quality.
Also, because I synced up the individual clips, I now have a synced sequence for that camera’s tape. To my knowledge, you can’t multicam with sequences, only actual clips 🙁
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I think Thrillcat over at Apple has the solution. Highlight all the clips and then do CREATE MULTICLIP SEQUENCE. If the cameras are time of day, it wil intersperse them where they fit in relation to one another. I think. I recall hearing about this, so I am not sure.
Try it and see what happens.
And by the sound of it, it appears you are going offline/online, so my initial solution will not work. But 4GB for 1 hour timeline is small…normally 13GB for an hour.
Shane
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If i highlight and do multiclipping from that, then i’ll have a 20+ ‘angle’ multiclip window. Our editors do NOT want to be working with that as it’s extremely to focus on all 20 (even though only 1 or 2 will be active at any given moment).
When making reference files, shouldn’t they be extremely small in size, as they ONLY contain reference data? On my old Avid, much more complicated reference files wouldn’t go above one MB in size, and referred to audio and video files on my hard drive.
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Ah…that makes sense with the multi-angles. Didn’t think of that.
FCP isn’t an Avid, and multi-clip is a relatively new function. It’ll get there. And reference clips…that too, well, isn’t FCPs forte. Avid was built around media management, so the code for tracking all this data was small. FCP is more of a full resolution editor, and tracking data obviously takes up more room than normal. Wish I could explain it, but I can’t.
Sorry that this is such a pain.
Shane
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[phill_r] “On my old Avid, much more complicated reference files wouldn’t go above one MB in size”
FCP renders the audio in all reference movies, and if you haven’t rendered any kind of filters of fx, FCP will render those into the self contained. before you blame FCP, make sure you are doing things properly.
Jeremy
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if I do a video-only QT reference export, it’s still large, almost 1 GB in size.
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