Multicam & Audio

[Shane Ross]

[Daniel Schloss] “Plural eyes can’t do it.”

Then you are doing something wrong. Plural Eyes would most certainly handle this. It’ll make a sequence where the footage all lines up, and overlaps. Yes, A SEQUENCE. You aren’t going to be able to get a CLIP out of this. But you can use the Sequence as a submaster.

[Daniel Schloss] “t. And it appears FCP also fails at this. I have to do 2 multicams, 3 tapes (cameras 1,2 &3)”

ANY Editing software would fail at doing what you want. Avid, Adobe, FCP…none will make a single multiclip out of what you have. But as said, you can make a sequence this way, and Pluraleyes should do it no problem.

[Daniel Schloss] “And now when I bring in an audio track from a separate MP3 player and throw it on the timeline, I have to render it anytime I change the levels.”

YUP…because mp3 files are not supported in FCP. YOu need to convert them to AIF 16 bit 48k Stereo, or WAV. MP3 is a compressed format, not good for editing.

[Daniel Schloss] “Am I missing something here. I can’t believe it is this complicated. “

You are, and it isn’t. You are missing that FCP doesn’t work with MP3 files, and all you need to do is convert it to AIF with Compressor. simple.

Shane

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[Daniel Schloss]

Thanks for the info Shane. I will revisit Pluraleyes. And no more MP3’s. Or at least I’ll convert them. I have not examined CS5 however when I was on CS4 Premiere did handle multiple tapes on different video lines on the same sequence. But I will give you suggestions a shot and see. Thanks again!

Dan Schloss
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[John Livings]

Hi Daniel,

Did you ever get “Plural Eyes “to Work?

I have not gone to Plural Eyes because i have Heard of this Issue before.

We shoot with 4 cameras, A DSR-500 (184 minutes) and 3 PD-150s (60 Minutes)

I just match everything to the DSR-500 in post.

Regards, John

[Daniel Schloss]

No not yet. PE tech support was asked about 3 cameras with 2 tapes each. They responded by saying it could be done but send them the data file so they could look at it. I thought it was explained pretty well. Just to much hassle. I still use it but I’m not doing cart wheels over it. I have to sync up the cameras on 2 sequences and then bring them into a 3rd. Everyone tells me that what I want cannot be done by any software. Well CS5 can and so could CS4 and now that Kona AJA has the drivers for my LHi card with CS5 I think it’s time to mossy on over to CS5 from FCP. Hey it’s just money. Not like its any good when you get to editor hell.

Well as I was here typing this, PE was syncing a 3 camera shoot based on markers and opps it was done wrong (that has to be my fault however). Very frustrating but I know the editor gods will bring me the answer soon. Good luck to you. Hope you find you way to the enlightened land.

Dan Schloss
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[John Livings]

This is kind of my work flow, This I posted at Ken Stone. Net a few months ago;

There is a lot to be said for having everything Jam Synced as Ronny states (if your equipment allows for this, $$$),My equipment or my budget do not.

It is my understanding that;

If you do not have the equipment to “Jam Sync”, You might try this.

Try to get one good Sound Track to your “Main Camera” Pull this off the Audio Mixer.

Start all your cameras and ck. focus, audio lvl, and WB.

About 5 minutes prior to starting the show, go around and start recording.

Use a Clap Board or flash to match up your VIDEO not Audio, Note the clap board is used with light behind it, and as it snaps shut, The light stops and you sync to light/no light Frame.

Now go around and re-focus on what you want to shoot.

When you go to edit, Just line up the video in the timelines, Now just line up your clapboard or flash in your 4 or 7 timelines. (this should take less then 5 minutes) Your Video is now is Sync, Your audio may NOT be.

Yes it is possible to have the video in sync with other video tracks and not have the audio in-sync with the other audio tracks.

Your Video is recording (Seeing) the the subject at the speed of Light (184,000 miles per second) Your audio is reaching your cameras at the speed of sound (1 foot per Ms 1/1000 of a second).

In my case camera #1 is about 100 feet away from the subject (1/10 of a second or 3 Frames) Another camera is 25 feet from the subject or 25 Ms, or one frame, and even though the performer is only 1 foot away from their Mic, by the time it goes thru the mixer and to a camera it could be off 1/10 of a second (latency).

Does this matter? Yes and no, If you are not pushed in to close, Maybe not. In an Extreme Close Up, with a singer or speaker it might.

All you do then is un- link the video from the audio and Lock the Video and slide the audio to match.

Please keep in mind that you would have the same problem if everything was “Jam Synced”. or if you use Plural Eyes.

I use 4 cameras and try to get a clean audio track that is the best match for all 4 video tracks, If it does not work i simply make adjustments.

I have gone round and round trying to figure out the quickest way that I can afford to sync everything, and the above method is it for me.

I am not talking about Video/Audio drifting out of sync with each other, (from 1 camera) which is another issue, also easy to adjust.

Just my opinions, Please feel free to correct the above comments.

Regards, John

[Eva Heijningen]

Hay!
i am using Plural eyes in fcp. before it worked very good, but now it does not work. it happende to me last week: now and then it works, and then it does not work.

i have put detect stop break on a clip, and the clip is broken up in 50 bits!! i have captured the clip ith my G5, and now i am working on my laptop macbook.is that the problem?

bye
eva