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Multi-cam clip in a compound clip
Hello to all.
In the ongoing discussion about using projects to do multiple versions of timelines or compound clips inside the event library for versioning, in regards to working with multi-cam clips I discovered that if I create a project and then put a multi-cam sequence into it and do an edit ( simple 2 camera interview shoot) and highlight all the clips in that project and make that a compound clip when I open that compound clip everything is as expected and I can highlight a clip and in the inspector tab the video, audio and info tabs are there. I have over 100 of these 30 sec to 2 minutes pieces to cut so that starts to look and act unwieldily in the project library so I thought I would take the multiple compound clip approach in the event library instead and do versioning like that. So I create a new compound clip in the event library, opened it up and put a multi-cam sequence in that. When I highlight the clip, in the inspector tab the video and audio tabs are no longer there. Just the info tab. There is know way to work with video or audio parameters in the inspector tab. Bug? Or am I missing something. So the only way to work with multi-cam is starting from the project library? Was wondering what the difference was when you compound a multi-cam started from the project library as opposed to creating a new compound clip in the event library. Thanks!
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I have been experiencing a similar bug whereby I cannot modify any clip in the info tab when I select it in the library. Is this the same thing you’re experiencing?
Or are you unable to see the properties of the multicam clip when inside the compound clip?The issue I am experiencing occurs when I’m using two displays. My workaround is to set the view back to single screen and then change it back. Then all the properties show up and I can change them in the infopane again.
Michael Garber
5th Wall – a post production company -
My issue is when I create a new compound clip in the event browser and do the open in timeline command and the take a multi-cam (sync 2 cameras) and put it in the compound clip. Then when I highlight the multi-cam clip in the timeline only the info tab appears in the inspector. If I create a new project in the project library and open that up and then put a multi-cam clip in edit the sequence, then highlight all the clips and hit option G and make a compound clip if I open that compound clip and highlight one of the multi-cam clips everything appears in the inspector tab Video Audio and info. The problem then is theres no way to put that compound clip into the event library. I would like to make my sequences working in compound clips in the event library instead of having to go back an forth to the project library where I’m starring at 100 video strips at one time.
Tony Corapi
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Sorry, I forgot to mention I’m using a single monitor. 30″ Apple Cinema Display.
Tony Corapi
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The other thing I should haves mentioned was if I create a new compound clip in the event library and put the multi-cam clip in it won’t let me right/control click and let me open the angle viewer. It’s not that it’s greyed out it just does not open.
Tony Corapi
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I can confirm that selecting a multi-cam clip in a compound clip created in the event library will not allow you to see or change any audio or video traits in the infopane. However, I was able to see the Multi-Angle Viewer in the compound clip.
Agreed that having 100+ multicam timelines in the project window would be hard to manage. But it might be your only choice. I use folders a lot in the project window to try to organize. But the project window is a bit awkward IMHO.
Michael Garber
5th Wall – a post production company -
Yes it seems that is the only way for now. I have plenty of folders in the project library and I can close and open accordingly. It’s just that my projects names are questions posed to different doctors and the video is is the response to that question. The problem I have with the project library is I can’t always read the sequence title because it gets truncated by the filmstrip. Even in the inspector tab it gets truncated. It would be nice if you could get a contextual list only. Or at least be able to resize so you can read more text.
Tony Corapi
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[Tony Corapi] “It would be nice if you could get a contextual list only. Or at least be able to resize so you can read more text.”
Agreed. That is my biggest gripe about it.
Crazy idea for a workaround. But it might work. What if you just stacked a ton of these multicam clips in a single project? It might get too wieldy. But again, I’m using the term “workaround” here. 😉 Also, the timeline is searchable, so it would be easy to find your question.
And then you could always just log your multicam clips in the library with keywords and log notes, markers, and such. Don’t worry about pre-cutting the questions. Just do them as you’re editing.
Michael Garber
5th Wall – a post production company -
This project I’m working on is great for FCPX. Production interviews 20 doctors who are asked 15 to 20 questions a piece. There are 2 cameras. They never cut they are just long interviews (35 to 40 min) . I was able to sync the two cameras (really fast) for both A and B cameras for each doctor and the go through each multi-cam, range select and keyword favorites, topic, smart collections etc. The multi-cam editing is very good. I just need to create one question and one answer segments with graphics, bullet points, audio mix for each question then post them for client to put on web site. Sometimes the answers are short sometimes they’re long and complex. Two doctors maybe asked same question so you get a second opinion kind of thing. I’m just grappling with the project versus compound clip discussion Oliver Peters posted about a few days ago. With multi-cam its seems like you have to start a project for each question because if you start by creating a compound clip you don’t have access to video and audio parameters. Thanks for your advice and input!
Tony Corapi
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[Tony Corapi] “This project I’m working on is great for FCPX. Production interviews 20 doctors who are asked 15 to 20 questions a piece. There are 2 cameras. They never cut they are just long interviews (35 to 40 min) . I was able to sync the two cameras (really fast) for both A and B cameras for each doctor and the go through each multi-cam, range select and keyword favorites, topic, smart collections etc. The multi-cam editing is very good. I just need to create one question and one answer segments with graphics, bullet points, audio mix for each question then post them for client to put on web site. Sometimes the answers are short sometimes they’re long and complex. Two doctors maybe asked same question so you get a second opinion kind of thing. I’m just grappling with the project versus compound clip discussion Oliver Peters posted about a few days ago. With multi-cam its seems like you have to start a project for each question because if you start by creating a compound clip you don’t have access to video and audio parameters. Thanks for your advice and input!”
Tony,
I think of Projects and the project library as almost like a mini TV channel array. I can revisit and edit the storyline all I want, but as soon as I go back to the Project Library – it represents the current state of my program – ready to be shared.
The point is that the Project Library is the END of the metadata chain in X. And metadata flows down the chain beginning on ingest, and ENDING in the Project Library.
With that concept in mind, I find it easy to decide what should be a project and what should be an upstream form like a Multicam clip or Compound clip. The answer is in whether I need the metadata to flow into the next stage in X’s production flow. Ingest to Event Browser – EB into Multicam Clips – EB or MC Clips into Storyline – Storyline into Project.
If your goal is 100 separate mini TV programs – then you need 100 separate Projects.
As to organizing and separating out the interviews, I’d look to do ALL of that in the Event Browser via keywords, developing a tagging strategy that is designed to bucket questions and answers initially by topic and/or doctor, but eventually I’d go back and add tags that let me sort together assets that are destined for the same Project – and do the multi-cams from that.
I personally don’t use Compound clips all that much. They definitely have their place, but I find that a timeline that “concatenates” as few elements as possible remains as fast as possible to work with.
Not sure if that addresses your “where should I do what part of the work” but its thinking that’s helped me a lot to understand and work effectively with X.
FWIW.
“Before speaking out ask yourself whether your words are true, whether they are respectful and whether they are needed in our civil discussions.”-Justice O’Connor
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Thank you very much Bill. I understand what your saying and always appreciate your insights and helping others to think a little differently. I, as you have expressed many times here, am very impressed with FCPX
helping get through a lot of data , organized, keyword, smart collections etc. I think the multi-cam works great for this kind of project and style of editing I need to do. And I do like the project library I just wish I could take it out of filmstrip mode now and then but I do totally understand what your saying and how to approach this material. I still don’t quite understand though why if I create a compound clip in the event browser and do a open in timeline command and put a multi-cam sequence into it why when I highlight the clip there is no video or audio parameters in the inspector. I’m just trying to understand the program and how it handles media as best I can. Thanks again.Tony Corapi
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