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  • More HVX200 info

    Posted by Barry Green on November 16, 2005 at 9:13 am

    Okay, so it’s in Japanese and you’ll need to Babelfish it to read it, but it’s got some new info, including this tasty morsel: apparently the CCDs are natively scanned at 1080/60p.

    Some people had been speculating that the CCD would be a 720p CCD and “uprezzed” to 1080; this page is making it sound like it’s the opposite, that it’s native 1080 and “downrezzed” to 720. It also means that the 1080/60i would be created from a 1080/60p scan, so interlace and progressive will probably have the same sensitivity! And, they put in big bold letters that it has a great signal-to-noise ratio. A 14-bit DSP that’s internally also 19-bit… not sure how that one works… a new “News Gamma” curve… a center-zoom manual focusing feature… slow shutter speed down to 1/12… new zebras as low as 50% (the DVX’s lowest was 80%)… looks like otherwise it has pretty much all the DVX features as well…

    Makes for some interesting reading until the big December rollout, at least… especially this tidbit: “In all image chestnut thornback tar – the solution AG-HVX200 which reforms.”

    https://world.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=ja_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fpanasonic.biz%2fsav%2fp2%2fhvx200%2findex.html

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    Toke replied 20 years, 5 months ago 12 Members · 36 Replies
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  • Harlan

    November 16, 2005 at 10:56 am

    The “14-bit DSP that’s internally 19-bit” is actually a 19-bit A/D convertor feeding the 14-bit DSP. In otherwords the data path from the CCD’s to the DSP chip is 19-bit, once it hits the DSP it becomes 14-bit where all the signal processing is applied.

    I believe. It’s hard to decipher the translation.

    harlan

  • Rodrigo Lizana

    November 16, 2005 at 11:41 am

    I saw that website too. One thing I noticed about the specs is the lack of a 1/48 shutter speed (180 degress) and a 1080p recording option. Hope we don

  • Jan Crittenden livingston

    November 16, 2005 at 11:50 am

    Hi Rodrigo,

    Those two shutter speeds are within the synchro scan speeds, just as they are in the DVX100 series.

    Best,

    Jan

    Jan Crittenden Livingston
    Product Manager, DVCPRO, DVCPRO50, AG-DVX100
    Panasonic Broadcast & TV Systems

  • Graeme Nattress

    November 16, 2005 at 3:06 pm

    Thanks for the info. Although the way I read it, with it’s “wide pixels” is something like 1280×720 with pixelshift in the DSP to 1280×1080, and then downconvert to 1080i, 720p etc. Perhaps. I don’t know.

    Graeme

    http://www.nattress.com – Film Effects and Standards Conversion for FCP

  • Jan Crittenden livingston

    November 16, 2005 at 3:18 pm

    The interpretation done by Babelfish is interesting. It is a 1080P/60 capture and it is down converted from there. The chip is an analog device and should always be regarded as such.

    Best,

    Jan

    Jan Crittenden Livingston
    Product Manager, DVCPRO, DVCPRO50, AG-DVX100
    Panasonic Broadcast & TV Systems

  • Brian Deviteri

    November 16, 2005 at 3:37 pm

    Maybe I’m missing something here, but if the CCDs are 1080/60p native, then why can’t we record 1080/60p to the P2 cards?

    While on this topic, what is the image size and pixel aspect ratio of a 720p recording and 1080i (and 1080p) recording on P2 cards?

  • Ron Shook

    November 16, 2005 at 3:54 pm

    Brian,

    [Brian SaenzDeViteri] “if the CCDs are 1080/60p native, then why can’t we record 1080/60p to the P2 cards?”

    I’d guess that there’s no codec for it, …yet. DVCPro100 just doesn’t have the space for that many pixels at that temporal density. It’d have to be closer to 200 Mbps to do that with quality. Of course, now we can see another good reason why the P2 cards are raided memory chips. They’ve got the speed to handle DVCPro200 if there were such a thing, and I’d bet there will be or something similar eventually.

    Ron Shook

  • Randall3

    November 16, 2005 at 4:18 pm

    especially this tidbit: “In all image chestnut thornback tar…”

    Those are secret instructions to Panasonic agents around the world.

  • Toke

    November 16, 2005 at 4:59 pm

    [Barry Green] “…apparently the CCDs are natively scanned at 1080/60p.”

    I’d like to know the horizontal resolution of the chips and is it same with European models?

    So, maybe there’s no pixel shifting at all?
    I’d thought it would have been better way to use 720p chips and vertical pixel shifting for component recording formats. That way the chips would have been a lot more sensitive.

  • Lawrence Bansbach

    November 16, 2005 at 8:36 pm

    [toke lahti] “So, maybe there’s no pixel shifting at all?”

    Except that Jan has repeatedly said that the HVX’s CCDs will use pixel shift. In one DVXuser post, she said, “All pixel shift does is cover the non-photosensitive areas, the registers, and give more resolution.” And in another, “Without pixel shift/spatial offset, you would have vertical stripes in the pictures, which once the light became low you would see.” From this I gather she means that pixels are shifted or staggered so that there would be no visible gaps between them. Beyond this, it hasn’t been revealed how much the pixels are shifted.

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