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More Avid rattling as 4 leave to Gobbler
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Don’t get me wrong. I’ve been making money with it nearly every day for 2+ years now. They made great strides with 10.1 especially toward collaboration / sharing media. The 3rd party plugin market is great. The logging, scrubbing is great. The new timeline paradigm has it’s ups and downs. But so do tracks, so I could go either way. But what is almost insulting is how resolve 11 can come (almost) out of nowhere and start off with a good base set of standard features, and after 3 years FCP X can’t seem to get it in gear to implement some of the things that would tip the scale for some users. They’ve got all these neat new innovative features but they still can’t implement trimming on multiple clips at once. Ganging. Start/end in edit transitions. Audio/role mixer. Dynamic trimming. Decent keyframing. So many things. I think many were looking forward to these sort of “feature parity with legacy and the rest of the NLE world” additions with 10.1, and as time drags on and the competition increases the omissions get more frustrating.
It’s funny, these conversations about Resolve 11 feel like a flashback to the late nineties when the chatter was all about FCP 1.0 and how it was going to change everything when it was released. And it did. Not at first, but eventually.
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[Oliver Peters] “In the context of collaboration and Avid, we are talking about project sharing (Unity) and integrated asset management (Interplay/Media Central). Arguably that’s a niche within a niche. I don’t believe Apple has interest in doing the R&D to make that happen, although they are happy to create hooks for third parties to extend FCP X into that arena if they can (like Cantemo Portal).”
Thing is, for low-bandwidth offline video formats there’s basically no problem left to solve in terms of media sharing — built-in OS file sharing over gigabit ethernet can pretty easily handle serving up several streams of ProRes LT or whatever.
So all that really needs to happen for ‘real’ collaborative workflow (at least for small teams) is some sort of library/event sharing. Some versions of that — letting two people interactively edit on the same timeline, for instance — would be complicated to implement, while others — letting multiple users open a library at the same time and exclusively ‘lock’ and work on different events — should actually be pretty easy.
Apple might want to focus on other things first, of course, but I wouldn’t be too surprised to see this eventually.
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[Bret Williams] ” I think many were looking forward to these sort of “feature parity with legacy and the rest of the NLE world” additions with 10.1, and as time drags on and the competition increases the omissions get more frustrating. “
I’m not in complete disagreement with you. Maybe I’m just more tolerant and/or I do fall into the 80% niche. I also find that when I work in other NLE’s I miss what X does, more than I miss things in X that other NLE’s do better/differently.
[Bret Williams] “It’s funny, these conversations about Resolve 11 feel like a flashback to the late nineties when the chatter was all about FCP 1.0 and how it was going to change everything when it was released. And it did. Not at first, but eventually.”
I terms of what it costs (at least the lite version), I do think R11 could shake things up. But unlike X, at least from what I’ve seen, it doesn’t really do anything wildy differently than other track based NLE’s… At least in terms of how the editing module works. So in that sense it kinda is like the FCP 1 days. Obviously it’s more than just an NLE, and that’s a big selling point. But if you like the FCP X timeline, R11 isn’t offering anything like it as far as I can tell.
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[Bret Williams] “collaborative workflows”
I can think of two types of collaborative workflow.
The hard one to do is the Isis working on the same assets simultaneously workflow like reality tv.
The easy one is duplicated assets, checking in, checking out, versioning and so on.
It appears that has become the defining characteristic in this forum for pro: duplicated assets v. same assets.
What other workflows are collaborative?
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[Richard Herd] “I can think of two types of collaborative workflow.
The hard one to do is the Isis working on the same assets simultaneously workflow like reality tv.
The easy one is duplicated assets, checking in, checking out, versioning and so on.
It appears that has become the defining characteristic in this forum for pro: duplicated assets v. same assets.
What other workflows are collaborative?”
You make an interesting point Richard. I would like to see more discussion of this.
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The paid version of Resolve 11 if going to allow multiple users to edit the same timeline at the same time. Not just a sharing media or checkout system. That sounds like fairly new territory.
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[Bret Williams] “The paid version of Resolve 11 if going to allow multiple users to edit the same timeline at the same time. “
Actually that’s not what was specifically demoed or mentioned. What was shown were three users: an assistant loading clip metadata, an editor working on a timeline edit and a colorist grading clips. Once each had done their portion, the other could choose to update the timeline to reflect the changes. For example, the editor could choose to update the timeline with the color corrections. It is a cool approach if it actually works, however, it’s not the same as two different editors working on the same timeline. FWIW – Editshare has demoed Lightworks in that exact scenario.
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EDIT: Beaten to the punch by Oliver.
[Bret Williams] “The paid version of Resolve 11 if going to allow multiple users to edit the same timeline at the same time. Not just a sharing media or checkout system. That sounds like fairly new territory.”
It’s one editor with multiple colorists.
https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve/workflow
“Collaborative Editing and Grading
Now you can have an editor and multiple colorists working on the same timeline simultaneously! DaVinci Resolve 11 lets an editor and multiple colorists on different workstations share the same timeline and work in tandem as they complete shots. A colorist could be pulling a key or tracking windows while another colorist fine tunes grades that are immediately updated as the editor edits. The all new DaVinci Resolve collaborative workflow lets your creative team break down a large job into parts they can each work on separately!”
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Ah, you’re right. In the video I saw on the net the guy said 3 people working on the same project. A project is a timeline right? I’m too sucked into FCP X terminology. 🙂 Of course the guy (demo guy on the floor at NAB I think) also got a few things wrong about Resolve 10. Said stuff like Resolve 10 lite is limited to 1080p export.
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[Bret Williams] “The paid version of Resolve 11 if going to allow multiple users to edit the same timeline at the same time.”
Is that something that you see yourself doing?
Do you picture yourself working as an editor with another editor working on the same section at the same time as you?
It seems confusing to me. Would the director or producer be talking to both of you at the same time? Just trying to figure out how many people would use that and how it would work so you are not stepping on each other.
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