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  • Mono vs Stereo problems.

    Posted by Kevin Reiner on November 24, 2008 at 5:08 pm

    Hey all,

    I am confused about digitizing audio in mono vs stereo. We shoot split channel between a boom and a lav. After doing some research, mostly here on the cow, I thought that bringing in audio as mono channels would be best. When I do that, the quality goes way down – low levels, high noise, and no difference between channel 1 and 2. When I redig in stereo it sounds identical to the source tapes. I am sure it is something dumb on my end, but any insight into what is going on here? I guess I thought the sound would be the same regardless of mono or stereo.

    Thanks,
    Kevin

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  • Chris Borjis

    November 24, 2008 at 5:10 pm

    Final Cut sums the audio.

    you have to load the mixer window and select the timeline
    then pan left to left and right to right if your doing mono.

    otherwise it mixes them by default.

    and if you have a faulty mic connector, you will hear
    the audio when digitizing but the summing on playback
    will cancel each side out so you hear nothing.

  • Kevin Reiner

    November 24, 2008 at 5:49 pm

    Thanks Chris,

    That did the trick. My only question now is – why is that the default? I can’t think of a benefit to having mono channels mixed by default. I’m just going to bring everything in stereo and not worry about it anymore.

    Thanks again,
    Kevin

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  • Rafael Amador

    November 24, 2008 at 6:15 pm

    [Kevin Reiner] ” why is that the default?”
    In the beginning the natural output from FC was Print to Video.
    With the stereo output you avoid the need of mixing later on.
    rafael

    http://www.nagavideo.com

  • Chris Borjis

    November 24, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    it was set up that way to make it easier for folks
    to deal with it.

    it becomes a problem (as you have experienced) though
    for those of us that need it done differently.

    the pan right left also only occurs per clip.
    I’m pretty sure doing a select all will fix
    that, but once it didn’t so double check that
    each new cut doesn’t revert the mixer to center.

    if you ever record on a camcorder with an xlr to
    mini-stereo (headphone) adapter, you will hear
    the audio on capture, but on playback they
    will cancel each other out resulting in no audio.

    you must pan those left and right to fix this.

  • Mark Suszko

    November 24, 2008 at 10:45 pm

    That’s because of phase cancellation, the waves are exactly opposite each other and when summed you get nothing or barely anything. If one track gets offset by one frame, you’ll likely notice the audio suddenly come back full force: that’s the proof it was being phase-cancelled. There’s probably a tool somewhere in FCP or Soundtrack to fix that, but I don’t yet know where it is. Somebody here know?

  • Michael Gissing

    November 24, 2008 at 10:55 pm

    If I understand this post at all, you are saying that when you captured as separate mono channels that the signal was mixed on capture? That makes no sense unless you were summing to mono externally before going into FCP. Of course you don’t want to do that.

    If however your sound is cancelling when you pan the files to centre, rather than left/ right, then you are telling me that you have a serious phase problem with your original camera footage. You won’t fix that by just panning FCP after capture. If that is what is happening, then you need to sort your mic cables or perhaps your edit room monitor phase.

  • Chris Borjis

    November 24, 2008 at 11:37 pm

    [Mark Suszko] “That’s because of phase cancellation,”

    yes, exactly.

    and some mic’s and the xlr to mini-headphone adapters cause it.

  • Kevin Franzen

    November 25, 2008 at 3:14 am

    It there is a phase issue, open the audio in a sound editor, i.e. soundtrack, or ProTools then flip the phase on one of the tracks. A sign for phase is an O with a / through it. It is always better to work with mono tracks and mix the two signals together to create a stereo effect. If the audio is panned, listen to the audio tracks through headphones and the two mics will sound different.

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