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  • Monitoring Question

    Posted by Nick Lovell on November 21, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    Hey there!

    This might be a dumb question…

    I have two displays, both Dell 2007FPs.

    If I were doing color timing, let’s say, would there be any advantage to going out to a monitor with a component video or HD-SDI connection (though a Kona Card, for example) versus using Digital Cinema Desktop Preview on the second Dell monitor (assuming it’s calibrated using color bars, etc.)?

    What about graphics cards that say they “support HDMI out” or component video out?

    Thanks for your time!

    Archie Cruz replied 17 years, 4 months ago 6 Members · 17 Replies
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  • Bill Dewald

    November 21, 2008 at 8:35 pm

    There’s a big difference – on a broadcast monitor, you are actually monitoring the video signal. Digital Cinema Preview is just that – a preview.

    Same with the GFX cards with the vid outs – you need to see what’s at whats headed to your tape.

  • Nick Lovell

    November 21, 2008 at 8:35 pm

    Excellent! That’s what I figured.

    Thank you!!!

  • David Roth weiss

    November 21, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    I’m glad you asked that, because our little forum here is getting deluged with questions from those who confuse “computer displays” with “video monitors.” Computer displays and video monitors are not the same things.

    Computer displays are fed by cards that are often inaccutately referred to as video cards, simply for lack of a better term. These cards display computer generated text and graphics, and they do not display true video very accurately.

    Meanwhile, as Bill also pointed out, video I/O cards are designed for piping in real, honest to goodness, accurate video signals, signals intended for display on calibrated broadcast video monitors that represent a true reference of the underlying video signal.

    David Roth Weiss
    Director/Editor
    David Weiss Productions, Inc.
    Los Angeles

    POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™

    A forum host of Creative COW’s Apple Final Cut Pro, Business & Marketing, and Indie Film & Documentary forums.

  • Mark Raudonis

    November 22, 2008 at 10:41 pm

    David,

    Of course you are right! But I fear that you may be “pissing in the wind” on this.

    Yes, there’s plenty of people here that don’t know what a “true video signal” is. But the increasing reality is that many of the programs that they’re working on may NEVER see a broadcast tower… or satellite, or cable. They’re headed right for the internet, and therefore, one could argue, if it looks good on the same monitor that they will eventually be watching on, then why bother with that old fashioned interlaced 4×3
    tube? Yes, I know, this “ain’t right”, but my point is, it really may not matter!

    Now, if any of these knuckleheads try to pass off their crap as “broadcast standard, up to spec, meets all delivery requirements”, they’re in for a rude surprise.

    Mark

  • David Roth weiss

    November 22, 2008 at 11:12 pm

    [Mark Raudonis] “I fear that you may be “pissing in the wind” on this.”

    And, I’ll admit I’ve also pulled the mask off the Lone Ranger on more than one occasion as well. However, if I can save even one young person from missing one of those “tough” questions you ask every job applicant, then I will die satisfied.

    David

    David Roth Weiss
    Director/Editor
    David Weiss Productions, Inc.
    Los Angeles

    POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™

    A forum host of Creative COW’s Apple Final Cut Pro, Business & Marketing, and Indie Film & Documentary forums.

  • Mike James

    November 29, 2008 at 1:25 am

    I may not be a young person (56) but I am certainly a knucklehead when it comes to understanding how to convert my beautiful Photoshopped photos into real video out (through an AJA Xena card) and making it look like real video.

    What I’m getting now are blown out images and exaggerated jpeg artifacts instead of the beautiful sequences I’m so lovingly crafting on my PC.

    What techniques are involved in getting digital camera images to look good on an honest-to-goodness video monitor? If this is too complicated to explain then please point me to a web page or book.

    Thanks,

    Mike

  • David Roth weiss

    November 29, 2008 at 1:31 am

    [Mike James] “I may not be a young person (56)”

    Man, you are old… I’m 55 next month and just a baby by comparison.

    [Mike James] “I am certainly a knucklehead when it comes to understanding how to convert my beautiful Photoshopped photos into real video out (through an AJA Xena card) and making it look like real video.”

    Mike, this is the Final Cut Pro Forum… It sure sounds to me like you should be asking this question on the Premiere Pro Forum. Right?

    David Roth Weiss
    Director/Editor
    David Weiss Productions, Inc.
    Los Angeles

    POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™

    A forum host of Creative COW’s Apple Final Cut Pro, Business & Marketing, and Indie Film & Documentary forums.

  • Mike James

    November 29, 2008 at 1:46 am

    I’ve been scouring the Cow trying to find someone who knows about this pretend computer-land video to real broadcast video video business. Please don’t send me away when I finally found experts who know the Answer!

    PS. No I don’t use Premiere Pro… 🙂

  • David Roth weiss

    November 29, 2008 at 2:06 am

    Well, I know how to animate good looking stills as good looking video for broadcast, but what app are you using with your Xena card to do that?

    David Roth Weiss
    Director/Editor
    David Weiss Productions, Inc.
    Los Angeles

    POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™

    A forum host of Creative COW’s Apple Final Cut Pro, Business & Marketing, and Indie Film & Documentary forums.

  • Mike James

    November 29, 2008 at 2:16 am

    I’m taking digital camera stills, cleaning them up in PhotoShop, then animating them in After Effects. I use Sony Vegas to sequence the clips into longer pieces.

    I’m seeing the same crappy video output in PS, AE and Vegas.

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