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monitoring HD via SD??
So I’ve searched and found a lot of talk about options and downfalls in monitoring HD on a budget.
How would grading HD on a SD monitor work?
I realise this is not ideal but if you’re on a budget, have a broadcast SD monitor and purchase something like a Blackmagic card or MXO2 which will downconvert your HD to SD outputs,
would monitoring your colours on a SD monitor be helpful and (semi) accurate????Just considering the options and budgets. BE great to people’s thoughts.
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[Wes Greene] “How would grading HD on a SD monitor work?”
You’re not looking at the right color space. SD cannot show as much chroma as HD without bleeding. It’s not a very good idea.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
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Bob Zelin wrote an article in Cow Magazine on budget HD monitoring with color accuracy I believe. Sadly there’s no way I’ve found to search for it on the Cow short of going through all the Cow magazines. There’s also no particular forum I can find that one can post a question to Bob about the article or any updates.
Maybe we need a searchable Cow magazine and/or magazine specific forum . . . or maybe either is hidden somewhere.
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[Craig Seeman] “There’s also no particular forum I can find that one can post a question to Bob about the article or any updates.”
Go over to the AJA forum, he’s a forum leader over there.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Biscardi Creative Media
HD and SD Production for Broadcast and Independent Productions.STOP STARING AND START GRADING WITH APPLE COLOR Apple Color Training DVD available now!
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[walter biscardi] “Go over to the AJA forum, he’s a forum leader over there.”
But wouldn’t that be a wildly off topic post? Of course my response to your post is wildly off topic. OK I’ll tell them “Walter sent me.”
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Just post “OT-Bob Zelin, where is your article on ……”
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Biscardi Creative Media
HD and SD Production for Broadcast and Independent Productions.STOP STARING AND START GRADING WITH APPLE COLOR Apple Color Training DVD available now!
Read my Blog!
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[Wes Greene] “How would grading HD on a SD monitor work? “
it doesn’t….
Colors like Red will never ever be correct.
gary adcock
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The ITU has different standards for SD & HD color space. If you use a Kona card, Decklink card or MXO to downconvert your HD to an SD monitor, you’re looking at it in SD color space. IOW, if you try to grade HD on an SD monitor, you’re really grading an SD picture.
IMO, color grading is a place where you don’t really want to save money. You want to spend a bit of it, but you can spend less or more. (The same goes for your sound mix, BTW.)
If you want to stretch your budget, get your color grading done in a smaller but well experienced shop, like Du Art in New York, or Cine Film in Atlanta. Smaller shops will work with you to control the budget, but their long experience & self contained operation will give you very good results for the price.
Another way to stretch your dollar is to work “night side” in a larger, more modern operation. That lets you use the “big room” (which actually is bigger, sometimes, and sometimes just more modern) at a lower rate. At night. With a less experienced operator. Did I mention that it’s at night?
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Just a thought, but if HD is a whole different colorspace, why do we only have one set of scopes in FCP? Where do we set bars for HD? What’s legal for HD? If you tried to pump your colors
to 100% on the SD scopes, can you go to 120% for HD or what? -
[Bret Williams] “Just a thought, but if HD is a whole different colorspace, why do we only have one set of scopes in FCP?”
The scopes are handling the digital information before it leaves the system. Also, you’ll note that the scopes say “HD” when you’re cutting in HD.
[Bret Williams] “If you tried to pump your colors
to 100% on the SD scopes, can you go to 120% for HD or what?”Not for broadcast, you still need to stay inside 100%, but if you do this in Color, you can get a lot more saturation without the appearance of clipping.
Walter Biscardi, Jr.
Biscardi Creative Media
HD and SD Production for Broadcast and Independent Productions.STOP STARING AND START GRADING WITH APPLE COLOR Apple Color Training DVD available now!
Read my Blog!
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Thanks! I hadn’t thought about these things. When dropping an he clip into a we timeline, does the colorspace conversion occur automatically or do adjustments need to be made? In working with 720p in this way and never noticed and out of range colors other than the errant overexposure.
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