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moire/herringbone/crosshatched patterns in pan/crop
Posted by Bruce Wertovitch on August 12, 2008 at 2:59 pmI’m using Sony Vegas 8 and love using the can/crop option to add motion to my still pictures. However, I get tremendous moire/herringbone/crosshatched patterns across the picture. Any straight line jumps all over. Pictures of my deck floor or vinyl sided house, which has a large number of straight lines, are impossible to watch in pan/crop. Even trees and grass show the effect. I’m viewing on a plasma, wide screen TV. Any suggestions on how to eliminate this effect?
Thanks,
BruceBruce Wertovitch
Bruce Wertovitch replied 17 years, 9 months ago 5 Members · 12 Replies -
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Steve Rhoden
August 12, 2008 at 4:33 pmBruce,
That is because you are using high resolution images….you need to
reduce them in a image editing software first.Steve Rhoden
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Bruce Wertovitch
August 12, 2008 at 4:45 pmThanks for the help. I openned the digital pictures in Adobe Photoshop 6 and the picture properties tells me the pixel dimensions are 22.9 M with 3264 pixels wide by 2448 pixels high. I’m shooting with a Cannon 8M camera at highest resolution. Can I use Adobe Photoshop to reduce the resloution as you suggested? How do I go about that and what should I reduce it to?
Again, thanks for you help.
BruceBruce Wertovitch
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Steve Rhoden
August 12, 2008 at 5:24 pmIndeed, those resolutions are way too high to just drop into vegas.
You then reduce(or re-size)them to the size of your video projects,
eg…If you are editing for DV, resize them to 720×480…..
or for HD resize to 1920×1080 etc accordingly.However, as you want to use pan/crop to add some motion to these
images you should then resize them just a tad bit larger than the
project formats, to compensate for resolution loss.
eg…(DV can be 800×600) etc.Unfortunately i dont use Photoshop, i only use Corel. However the process is very straight forward and easy, just use the help
feature to step you through it.Steve Rhoden
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Terry Esslinger
August 12, 2008 at 5:58 pmA rule of thumb that I have heard some where (I think it was DSE) was to not have pic resolution larger than twicew the project res.
An easy (and free) way to do the resizing is to use Irfanview. It has a batch resizer. -
Adam Rose esq.
August 12, 2008 at 6:56 pmget irfanview from http://www.irfanview.com (free) and use the batch conversion facility to resize/convert/rename/etc – is an amazing program that have been using for about 10 years at least. So fast and small / light.
if pan/cropping DV, I usually bring them in at double resolution, nothing larger.
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Bruce Wertovitch
August 12, 2008 at 9:01 pmThanks for all the great info. I always find this forum so helpful. I tried 3 different resolutions: 720×480, 800×600 and 1024×768. Very little crosshatch in the 720, but loss of picture quality is evident; some crosshatch visible in the 800 with better picture quality; best picture quality with the 1024 but more of the dancing crosshatch. So, I guess it’s a matter of personnel preference and how much dancing one is willing to accept. I’m assuming you all are getting some of the crosshatch in your work? My 50″ widescreen plasma may be contributing somewhat to it as well. Don’t know.
Thanks again for all the advise. Much appreciated!
BruceBruce Wertovitch
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Steve Rhoden
August 12, 2008 at 11:54 pmI’m assuming you all are getting some of the crosshatch in your work?
Sorry to inform you Bruce,no form of crosspatch here in our work..LOL
In the professional world certain things are unacceptable, and this is
one of them. To easily avoid this anomaly :
After resizing i color correct the images….Then activate “Reduce interlace flicker” in vegas for all images …Then working in progressive mode i de-interlace each finish project.
(My personal method for a flawless,pristine result).Steve Rhoden
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Bruce Wertovitch
August 13, 2008 at 12:30 pmBeautiful. Just tell me if I’m doing this correctly. In Vegas, using Edit, Switches, I used Reduce Interlace Flicker. Seems that I have to do that individually for each photo. No option to set it to do all photos at once as they’re added to the project? Then, File, Properties, Video tab, Deinterlace Method, I used None.(default is Blend) Results look great.
Two last questions and I’ll try to leave you alone. LOL 1)Most of my video stuff is a combination of photos and dv video. OK to use “None” as the Deinterlace method with dv video in it? 2) I notice in Vegas, on the video tab directly above Deinterlce Method drop down is “Full Resolution Redering Quailty” drop down menu. The default setting is “Good”. Leave that alone or use “Best”?
I can’t thank you enough for taking your time to help out. Your tips have helped me tremendously and I’m very thankful.
BruceBruce Wertovitch
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Adam Rose esq.
August 13, 2008 at 12:49 pmif one has photos, better to use BEST
deinterlacing the video is fine, depending on your output: what do you expect to be the main means of viewing? SD or HD? PC/ web or TV? SD TV will prefer interlaced esp if lotsa action etc.
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Steve Rhoden
August 13, 2008 at 12:59 pmYou are welcome Bruce, we are all here to help,
1). Let the de-interlace method remain as ‘Blend fields’
2). full resolution quality set to ‘Best’ when you are working with
images on the timeline. Set to good otherwise (cut down on
rendering time).Sorry, you have to activate ‘reduce interlace flicker’ for each image.
You can also try out a free de-interlacing filter that yields good results (if you want an added aid), called ‘smart deinterlace’ at:
https://www.mikecrash.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=13Steve Rhoden
Creative Director
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