Minor question re: viewer

[Shane Ross]

Doesn’t do that for me. WHen I double click on the clip it loads the clip into the viewer and my playhead is exactly where it was in the timeline.

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[Ron Craig]

Yes, Shane, mine does the same when I double-click from the timeline. But my post was about double-clicking a clip in a bin. As I say, a minor issue. But definitely an annoyance. I love to save clicks and keystrokes when I can…and particularly when a little bit of intelligent programming would obviate the need.

[Michael Sacci]

The playhead is positioned where it was the last time it was opened. Which if you are setting ins and outs you are leaving it on the out, but if you change the position to the in or any place within the clip that is were it will be when it is opened again. So it does the same thing in the bin as it does in the timeline.

[Ron Craig]

Well, that is informative. Thanks for that. But I still think it’s not optimal programming. When clips are selected and placed in a bin, it’s typical that the inpoint is selected first and then the outpoint is selected, right? So that means clips that are later opened from bins will have the playhead default to the outpoint. Explaining why that happens is, as I say, informative but it doesn’t fix the problem.

Or does everyone but me select their ins and outs in reverse? I assume not. So then everyone has their clips open in the viewer with the playhead at the end of the clip, a useless position.

To repeat, it’s a minor point. But still, a failure of programming in a very good program. And not worth much more bandwidth here, I’d say.

[Steve Oakley]

actually its FAR more annoying that after you insert a clip into the Tl, the CTI jumps to the end of the clip instead of the head ( – 3 secs ) so you can actually play the edit and see how it works. what can I can, its one of those never gets fixed FCP bugs

[Bret Williams]

I disagree. For your instance, having JUST marked the out, then later going back to watch the clip, it’s potentially inconvenient. However, would you not find it annoying if it always jumped to the in point INSTEAD of remembering where you left off last time you looked at it? I DO NOT want FCP making decisions like that for me. Maybe I don’t even have an in or out point. I generally don’t mark those until I’m editing a clip into the timeline. And marking an out first is pretty common. It all depends on what you’re doing and what is important to the 3 point edit. Sometimes it’s only an out. Sometimes it’s only an in. Sometimes it’s an in and out and only an in or an out in the TL. That’s just editing.

In the linear world the tape always cues up to the point it was at when you ejected it, doesn’t it?

A workaround for you would be to press the play in to out button instead of the play button.

[Arnie Schlissel]

[Steve oakley] “actually its FAR more annoying that after you insert a clip into the Tl, the CTI jumps to the end of the clip instead of the head ( – 3 secs ) so you can actually play the edit and see how it works.”

It would be insane if the playhead stayed at the head of a clip after you made an insert edit. The assumption is that you’re going to make another edit.

Imagine that you’re assembling a timeline. You need to quickly edit 5 or 10 or 150 clips into a timlie. Each time the playhead is at the head of the just inserted clip. That would be madness.

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[Tom Wolsky]

Why should it revert to the in point? If you have a long clip and you are selecting pieces from it, it’s more likely that you will mark an in and out, and then when you go back to that clip, you will more than likely want to select an new in and out point, and more than likely later in time than the first in and out point you selected. It’s unlikely that you will want to see the same in and out point again. If you do just press Shift-. Or if you want to go to the in point press shift-I. Leaving the playhead where you left it seems like the most logical behavior to me.

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[Ron Craig]

Leaving the playhead where you left it seems like the most logical behavior to me.

I agree with this point of view with regards to clips that you are working on in the timeline and choose to move to the viewer. But that’s not what my initial comment was about.

We all work differently — something that is well illuminated in this discussion — but in my workflow when I move a clip from a bin (NOT from the timeline) to the Viewer I would like the playhead to be in a useful position. For me, personally, that’s the head of the clip. And no matter how you work, I have to believe that the end-of-clip positioning of the playhead is useless in the Viewer. On the other hand, if your workflow causes you to work with your clips for a while and then “store” them back in a bin with a playhead position carefully chosen, then the FCP default obviously works for you. My guess is that most editors don’t work that way, making the current default sub-optimal.