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  • Mid project Upgrade? Worth it?

    Posted by Brian De herrera-schnering on July 16, 2007 at 9:08 pm

    Hi All,
    I’m in mid project (It’s a biggie that will not be final until November/December) and would usually not even consider upgrading in mid project. However, I’ve compiled a list of things I’ve wanted Adobe to upgrade and may be compelled to. For those of you who have had the opportunity to play with CS3 please let me know if they actually touched on any of them.

    1. Edit a sequence into another with no nesting.
    2. Audio meters when capturing
    3. Add edit to single clip without using the cut tool.
    4. A timecode window (big and bright)
    5. Easier to navigate bins in capture window
    6. Better Bin navigation (I know they fixed this)
    7. Adjust audio levels of clips by using the mixer
    8. Open multiple projects or import individual sequences/clips from other projects.
    9. Export frame and open in PS in one step.
    10. Multi-threaded?
    11. Manipulate transition when adding rather than in the effect window
    12. Better slow mo (Speed ramping is cool. But what if I want interpolated rendering?)
    13. Easier to navigate and set keyboard shortcuts and project settings
    14. Faster less obtrusive Auto save

    Any one of these would increase my workflow and would be welcomed. Thanks!

    Brian

    Darren Edwards replied 18 years, 10 months ago 7 Members · 12 Replies
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  • Steven L. gotz

    July 17, 2007 at 1:09 am

    1. Edit a sequence into another with no nesting.

    You can always copy and paste, but it isn’t a perfect solution. Why not nest? In any case, it was not added.

    2. Audio meters when capturing

    Capture over firewire is a digital transfer. Even if you had meters they wouldn’t help you any. No, CS3 didn’t add it and I doubt it will ever be added.

    3. Add edit to single clip without using the cut tool.

    I don’t understand the question. You can use a hotkey, is that what you mean?

    4. A timecode window (big and bright)

    The timecode effect was added in 2.0 – what is the purpose of a big window? No, not added.

    5. Easier to navigate bins in capture window

    No change that I noticed. But bins are better.

    6. Better Bin navigation (I know they fixed this)

    Much better.

    7. Adjust audio levels of clips by using the mixer

    No, just tracks.

    8. Open multiple projects or import individual sequences/clips from other projects.

    No.

    9. Export frame and open in PS in one step.

    No.

    10. Multi-threaded?

    If you mean it takes all of your multiple CPUs into account, then yes. If you mean it does background tasks, then no.

    11. Manipulate transition when adding rather than in the effect window

    No.

    12. Better slow mo (Speed ramping is cool. But what if I want interpolated rendering?)

    Yes, the slow motion is much improved.

    13. Easier to navigate and set keyboard shortcuts and project settings

    I don’t think there is anything wrong with the way keyboard shortcuts are set, but no, there were no changes.

    14. Faster less obtrusive Auto save

    I have not noticed any chamge.

    Steven


    https://www.stevengotz.com

  • Tim Kolb

    July 17, 2007 at 1:13 am

    Other than 6 and 12, I think you have a few that are matters of opinion and the others are simply not changed substantially from my perspective.

    Upgrading mid-project is potential bad, bad mojo typically. I try not to do this.

    If you decide to give it a shot, make sure you save alternate versions of your project under CS2 in a safe place and don’t touch them just in case it all falls apart.

    TimK,
    Director,
    Kolb Productions,

    Creative Cow Host,
    Author/Trainer
    http://www.focalpress.com
    http://www.classondemand.net

  • Jan Janowski

    July 17, 2007 at 11:55 am

    I couldn’t disagree with you more about the need for audio meters to verify levels before capture, Steven!

    Looking for 1939 Indian Motocycle

  • Jeff Brown

    July 17, 2007 at 12:37 pm

    …and if you want truly better SloMo, though i have not used CS3 (I usually wait for the x.1 release), you might want to try a demo of Twixtor from reVisionFX. Very nice sloMo, though it will take some rendering time.

    -jeff

  • Harm Millaard

    July 17, 2007 at 12:55 pm

    As Steven pointed out, capturing is a simple data transfer. It is NOT possible to modify that transfer. Either you transfer or you don’t. No way to have any benefit from monitoring audio meters during capture when you can’t do anything about the levels. If you want to verify levels, do it during shooting.

    If you flunked your exam and ended up with only C or D grades, you should have paid more attention during school. No sense in reading about the final results and not being able to do anything about it. Same here.

  • Brian De herrera-schnering

    July 17, 2007 at 1:12 pm

    Thanks for the Replies. Some may be a matter of opinion but I think most are useful tools/details that anyone would find, well, useful. I’m not trying to make PPro replicate the other A’s. These are simply things that I would find useful.

    Here’s why…
    1. Render times and EDL(AAF) export. Also if I accidentally mess up another sequence it won’t cascade into others.

    2. I used to capture a lot of BetaSP through the SD Connect. With no way to monitor levels it was always a process of educated guessing.

    3. You can cut all tracks at once using a hotkey or use the cut tool. I’d like to cut just the selected track using a hotkey. I have to time out a lot of graphics, so I constantly make cuts and then make freezes . It would be a lot easier with the single track cut.

    4. Another big A has a Timecode tool that is simply a display tool. It can be resized, moved and told what to display. I like having it nice and big on my second monitor so a client on the couch 10 feet away can see how far into the program we are. Or so I can take off my glasses and not squint to red tiny text.

    5. This has always bugged me. The little bin window is so small.

    6. Fixed. Yeah!

    7. More precision.

    8. Borrowing segments from other shows is routine in my life.

    9. Shortcut.

    10. Fixed. Yeah!

    11. Personal Preference.

    12. Fixed. Yeah!

    13. I talking about mapping a keyboard. Sometimes I come across something that I would like to map to a key. It seems rather hard to dig and find it in PPro. Maybe if there were a search bar?

    14. It would be nice if auto save didn’t interrupt playback and waited for its turn. Oh well.

    Thanks again!

    15. How about import directly from CD?

  • Darren Edwards

    July 17, 2007 at 2:09 pm

    Re auto-save: you can turn this off, of course.

    What I’d like to see is improved VOB support. We
    (based in the UK) have began to receive DVDs from
    US clients which have been recorded/encoded in all
    kinds of funky NTSC’y ways.

    I would also like to see the day where, if a HD
    job comes in, or something equally potentially
    problematic, we don’t automatically turn on the
    G5s – I abhor most Apple GUIs, and Final Cut is
    now different. Motion’s GUI is (still) a mess.

    Speaking of which, is it possible to unglue the
    palettes/windows in PPro2, like AE7, by right-clicking
    the top-right arrow? I had a quick go the other day
    and it seems like you can’t. A stupid concept to
    being with.

    Darren.

    myspace.com/xgfmedia

  • Darren Edwards

    July 17, 2007 at 2:10 pm

    Edit: Final Cut is no different.

    myspace.com/xgfmedia

  • Jan Janowski

    July 17, 2007 at 4:35 pm

    Just try and capture analog audio via a transverter.
    PPRo wants the DVD standard -12
    Most DV transverters are calibrated for the broadcast -20 standard.
    Most vtrs can have -10, 0, +4, or such audio levels, and can be either
    un-balanced or balanced, depending on the vtr.
    Depending on Trnasverter, you might have -10 to -20 or +4 to -20, either of which would be fine for broadcast, but not for the DVD standard of -12.

    This gives you a multitude of potential level’s issue.

    If Only DVD standard was the broadcast -20 standard, but not to be.

    If Only PPRO had a way of (Even temporairly) showing meters on DV input, then you’d know before starting a 1 hour capture that the audio levels are wrong….

    Meters are needed in capture, even if only as a verification before recording. And, On Location needs to work with transverter’s (But that’s a story for another time!)

    Looking for 1939 Indian Motocycle

  • Steven L. gotz

    July 17, 2007 at 8:06 pm

    #15 – No. I always just use a 3rd party app to rip from a CD. I suppose it would be a handy thing to have though.

    As for #13. I keep a PDF on my web site for version 1.5 but I never saw an update for 2.0. I suppose I could publish one myself for CS3. With it all laid out in front of you it isn’t too tough. And if you know how to do it with a menu, it is easy enough, I believe, to find that menu in the Keyboard Customization dialog.

    I submitted an article that should be published any day now here on the COW that explains the differences between Premiere Pro 2.0 and Premiere Pro CS3 keyboard shortcuts. I also provided a keyboard file that recreates the 2.0 version as close as I could.

    Steven


    https://www.stevengotz.com

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