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Michael Cioni on X and modern workflows for NAB 2016
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[Andrew Kimery] “How is this similar/dissimilar from Adobe’s Search Bin?”
It’s similar to Smart Collections, but there is no direct equivalent to Collections. A good example is in this blog post of mine from 4 years ago:
https://digitalfilms.wordpress.com/2012/06/17/into-the-fire-with-fcp-x/
By setting up keywords for location, job type, etc. I could easily organize my clips for each group. So when the client asked for a clip of a female manager shot on day 1 in location B, I could pull up all of the options in the appropriate Collection. That’s because I had assigned these Keywords accordingly when the media was ingested. By doing that the media has been auto-sorted into a variety of appropriate Collections.
Another example would be a feature film shoot. In Media Composer, I would have a bin for each day of dailies and then I would sub clip each of these clips and place the subclips into separate bins according to scene. In FCPX I would have an Event for each day of dailies and then use keywords to automatically assign clips according to scenes. This latter function would be done automatically by the software, other than my creating the initial keyword.
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[Oliver Peters] “By setting up keywords for location, job type, etc. I could easily organize my clips for each group. So when the client asked for a clip of a female manager shot on day 1 in location B, I could pull up all of the options in the appropriate Collection. That’s because I had assigned these Keywords accordingly when the media was ingested. By doing that the media has been auto-sorted into a variety of appropriate Collections.”
Maybe there is a nuance that I’m missing because I don’t use X, but I’m doing something similar on a current project in PPro. I have Search Bins based on things like person, location, and type of footage (broll, interview, etc.,) and after I apply my keywords the media shows up in all the appropriate Search Bins. Adding Keywords can be faster in X than PPro but the end results seem very similar to me (media with the same keywords are automatically grouped together in a bin/folder and can live in multiple bins/folders at the same time).
Applying keywords to a range, as opposed to an entire clip, still seems unique to X and might be something that is inherently unique to X, but so far I really haven’t seen anything to go against Michael’s stated feeling about NLEs and databases.
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[Andrew Kimery] “Maybe there is a nuance that I’m missing because I don’t use X, but I’m doing something similar on a current project in PPro.”
I would agree with that. Some of it just gets down to nitpicking. However, just like with Resolve, FCPX had this before Premiere added theirs.
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Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
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[Oliver Peters] “However, just like with Resolve, FCPX had this before Premiere added theirs.”
But both Resolve and PPro are capable of doing it, which goes back to Michael’s point of questioning the ‘inherently better’ database in one NLE vs another. It’s not that other NLEs are incapable* of Keyword/Smart Collections-type functionality, it’s just that they hadn’t implemented that feature until recently. Maybe it just wasn’t the best example to try to illustrate the differences?
*Avid might be incapable of it because of how bins in Avid function differently than bins/folders in other NLEs.
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When FCPX can create a story and write narration it’ll do something worth my time to learn it, until then I still maintain it’s a solution looking for a problem, and it’s not a problem I have.
On the other hand, Resolve solves many problems for me, and though it’s perhaps not the perfect editing app for all things, it’s becoming my goto solution for many things.
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist & Workflow Consultant
David Weiss Productions
Los AngelesDavid is a Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Apple Final Cut Pro forum.
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[Michael Gissing] “my 4.6 “
I have been shooting with that camera myself Michael and some of it’s missing features make it a challenge to shoot with (at least for me). It’s a good price point for the image you can get out of it, but I’d like a few more basic features.
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[Andrew Kimery] “*Avid might be incapable of it because of how bins in Avid function differently than bins/folders in other NLEs.”
There are now searchable bins in Avid, as well as the timeline and project window.
If you amend your clips with a keyword at the end – it functions similiar to FCPX in that it will filter out unwanted media.
Def not the same or as elegant as FCPX but doable and a workable solution.
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[Neil Goodman] “There are now searchable bins in Avid, as well as the timeline and project window.
If you amend your clips with a keyword at the end – it functions similiar to FCPX in that it will filter out unwanted media.
Def not the same or as elegant as FCPX but doable and a workable solution.”
Wasn’t it in 7 or 8 that Avid really started beefing up the search tool? I was working on a doc a year or so back in 8 and by the end I spent more time in the search tool than in my bins. Do you know, can you save the search results to a bin? Being able to search globally in Markers was very helpful at the time and I wish PPro had similar functionality.
What I don’t think Avid can do is have bins auto-update with media the way X or PPro can have folders auto-update with media because of how bins in Avid behave.
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[Andrew Kimery] “How is this similar/dissimilar from Adobe’s Search Bin?”
Search Bins are OK, but are limited, and sometimes return unexpected results. I have my X libraries set up to automatically sort all my different versions of each spot. Snapshots, WIPS, Versions submitted to client, finished versions etc all get auto-sorted to proper collections. I basically never have to manually move anything. It’s really cool. Tried to match it in Pr Projects and bits and pieces worked, but not nearly the same. Still need to hit the browser a lot. Also there’s no such thing as a snapshot, and no way to duplicate a sequence while in the timeline.
Also this…
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[Charlie Austin] “I have my X libraries set up to automatically sort all my different versions of each spot. Snapshots, WIPS, Versions submitted to client, finished versions etc all get auto-sorted to proper collections. I basically never have to manually move anything. It’s really cool.”
Metadata driving workflow is so smart. This is stuff that humans should never have to manage manually.
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