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Michael Cioni + frame io
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[Oliver Peters] “The extension is too simplistic for any sort of real workflows. It should only be used for review and approval on the very simplest of jobs.”
Sorry Oliver that’s your opinion and I don’t agree.
[Oliver Peters] “Export a master file from the FCPX Share menu set as a multitrack Quicktime. Open a web browser and log into Frame. Find your project and upload. Share that from Frame as a Presentation with download enabled. Works like a charm. That’s how Frame was intended to work. “
Actually it’s not intended to work that way at all. It CAN work that way and I have used it that way but that’s an extra step that shouldn’t be needed. If you go to their website they are not showing someone doing what you just described. They show them going right from the timeline to the project in Frame IO using the app (that you don’t like). Which you can do, you just can’t do multiple audio tracks that way, which is the whole point of my post : )
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[Tony West] “Sorry Oliver that’s your opinion and I don’t agree.”
No, based on my experience with it. For example, if you have several dozen active projects in a Frame account, it’s quite difficult to navigate to the right place using only the extension. Second, you cannot simply access your account through the extension without logging in through a portal. You also can’t effectively use the extension app as a standalone app, except for simple uploads, even though it sort of allows more. So at best, it’s a work in progress.
[Tony West] “Actually it’s not intended to work that way at all. It CAN work that way and I have used it that way but that’s an extra step that shouldn’t be needed”
It’s an extra step that’s essential. Using your method, you never end up with a master file that lives on your drive outside of the FCPX sequence inside of FCPX. Seems pretty dangerous.
But whatever. You have a method that doesn’t seem to work for you. I’m suggesting a method that I know will work. Take your pick.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com
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[Oliver Peters] “No, based on my experience with it. “
I understand, but what’s more relevant than “your” experience is that of Frame’s tech support who I spoke with and disagree with you. From you comments it doesn’t sound like you have a lot of experience with it.
You thought it left the original untouched before you learned from me that it didn’t.
[Oliver Peters] “I would think Frame leaves the original untouched”
Hey, there’s no shame in learning but it’s OK to acknowledge it.
They are very clear in how they want you to use their platform and here is “Their” video to prove it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYliqZYWkmINo where in that video are they saying only use our app for review or go around it for “serious” stuff.
[Oliver Peters] “Using your method, you never end up with a master file that lives on your drive outside of the FCPX sequence inside of FCPX. Seems pretty dangerous. “
I hear your concern but you are assuming I want that master in all cases. Many things will hit air once, never to be seen again because the event is on a certain day that has passed. Remember that I still have the Library on one drive and X set to backup on a separate drive. That’s two places I could get it from plus it would be on frame and then the client would also have it after download. That’s “4” places for this one time thing. My way is fine for this.
[Oliver Peters] “You have a method that doesn’t seem to work for you. I’m suggesting a method that I know will work. Take your pick.”
Well,
A. You offered a workaround that I already knew about (as I mentioned I spoke with their tech support) and you did it in a way that suggested that it wasn’t a workaround, but rather “their” intended way to use it to begin with. Which is not true at all. I do appreciate your help but wanted to clear up that bit of “misinformation”.
B. Your way doesn’t work anyway, because even if you skip the app and take a video with mics on separate tracks directly into Frame, you will not be able to monitor both those mics. So if you can’t HEAR the mics how are they supposed to review it? Like I said, if you had more experience with the platform you would have known that and not spent all this time guessing at a faulty workaround that doesn’t work (when it comes to review). No shame in it.
I’m trying to help them make their platform better as a person that actually uses it a lot.
[Oliver Peters] “it’s a work in progress”
Finally, something that we can agree on : )
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[Tony West] “From you comments it doesn’t sound like you have a lot of experience with it.”
I don’t know. I’m in and out of Frame solidly most of the day (and have been since they launched), along with about a dozen other people on staff. No one here uses the extension app in FCPX or Premiere, because it simply doesn’t serve any of our needs. We use Frame for extensive review-and-approval, moving selects to clients and delivery files to clients.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com
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I use Frame.io every day and I can concur with Oliver that the frame.io extension just isn’t ready for prime time.
I also agree that frame.io should clean up the inconsistencies with their UI.
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[greg janza] “I use Frame.io every day and I can concur with Oliver that the frame.io extension just isn’t ready for prime time.
“What problems do you have with the extension other than what I pointed out? Just curious.
Btw, you also agree with me. I’m trying to improve the extension. That’s the point of my post.
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[Oliver Peters] ” I’m in and out of Frame solidly most of the day (and have been since they launched)”
Then I’m surprised you thought the files were untouched. You should have discovered that long ago.
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[Tony West] “Then I’m surprised you thought the files were untouched. You should have discovered that long ago.”
Because I’ve tested it and they are. If I upload a file to Frame from the Finder and then download that file somewhere else, there is no difference between it and the original. So I’m not sure what you are referring to.
This is using the web portal, not an extension.
Note: We do not send up raw camera originals that have not been handled by an editor in some way. I’m talking about uploading files that have been curated or edited in some fashion – selects, masters, review copies, etc. There are plenty of other, better ways to transfer camera originals from point A to point B.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters – oliverpeters.com
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For starters, I would want full customization of the encoder settings in the extension and not presets.
And again Oliver is correct, split track pro-res files uploaded directly from the web browser work perfectly. We just uploaded a project recently with several split track masters and all uploaded and downloaded from frame.io without issue.
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[Tony West] “B. Your way doesn’t work anyway, because even if you skip the app and take a video with mics on separate tracks directly into Frame, you will not be able to monitor both those mics. So if you can’t HEAR the mics how are they supposed to review it?”
Split tracks are only going to be used in an NLE anyway so the ability to monitor those tracks in the frame.io interface seems unnecessary.
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