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match frame and p2
I am having a very bad problem with my match frame tool with my FCP project and all my media was brought in using MXF4mac (whom I’ve just sent an email to). I have the media of each P2 card layed out in it’s own sequence, which are my master sequences. I do this because p2 has various clips and this is a way that I can have something like a master clip. One quick note is that what I am going to explain doesn’t happen all the time, just most of a time.
When I pull clips from my master sequence and lay them into another sequence everything is fine. I can pull this or that audio and video, whatever. But when I go to match frame on a clip that has both audio and video it will only pull up the video file. P2 files normally have 4 audio tracks, at least mine do, and it doesn’t pull up any. The same thing happens with audio. Another problem is when the audio is layered the red out of synch indicator doesn’t show up either.
I tried to recreate the problem on a different machine, but I can’t because I don’t have MXF4mac on another machine. I tried to duplicate the problem with p2 brought in the traditional way via log and transfer, but everything is normal.What I am wondering is if anyone has ever had this problem? Is this an MXF4mac issue? Is this a issue that can be resolved by dumping FCP preferences?
Any help on this issue would be greatly appreciated because the editor is about to jump out of the window because of this. Thanks everyone!
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[Seth Keal] “What I am wondering is if anyone has ever had this problem? Is this an MXF4mac issue?”
I have noticed this, and it is because the audio and video are only tied together in the clip that is imported…whereas if you did LOG and TRANSFER the video and audio is tied into one QT file.
[Seth Keal] “Is this a issue that can be resolved by dumping FCP preferences?”
No.
Now, when you lay this footage into the master sequence, is it coming in NESTED, or are you OVERWRITING WITH CONTENT? FCP has an issue match framing even if you make a small sequence of selects and bring in it to the master sequence with content. It keeps matching back to the select sequence you made, but not the master clip.
Jeremy will have a better answer, and Bjorn no doubt will have an even better one.
Shane
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I have been in contact with Bjorn, I will post his answers when finished. The problem also seems to be stemming from the editor copying and pasting from seperate projects. The project being pasted into doesn’t have a reference clip to relate back to, thus causing some of the problem. Will return with Bjoern’s answers
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It works fine here. I am sure he had you dump your waveform and thumbnail cache already.
[Seth Keal] “The project being pasted into doesn’t have a reference clip to relate back to, thus causing some of the problem.”
Yes. That is true of any FCP project, not just one with MXF Import from P2. The copy and pasted clips can sometimes lose their master clip status.
Jeremy
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Based on the project file that we got it seems that audio and video of many clips also has been unlinked by the editor.
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I think I have found a similar problem with media from a fire store. The many clips were edited together in one long sequence, then that sequence is loaded into the viewer and edited from. 2 problems I found. 1 when you double click a clip, it doesn’t load for editing, it opens its parent sequence. To cure this one, OPTION+ DOUBLE CLICK. The match frame issue is that match frame brings up V only, I could get V and 1A if I selected V&A in the timeline before matching, but no good if I wanted the other audio track. A work around I have devised is: park on the first frame of the clip in the timeline, press X to mark the clip, double click the clip which opens the parent timeline at the same frame, match frame from here, the clip in the viewer doesn’t have the right IN & OUT marks but as you started on the first frame, this will be the IN and as you ‘marked clip’ in the timeline, you have an out. Now you can reselect audio or change speed and overwrite the original.
Its a bit long winded but can’t think of anything better other than exporting a QuickTime of the comiled clips timeline before editing, here that would probably be too time consuming.
John Ramsden
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Great, thanks! One more quick question; does anyone know in the future if P2 will be able to be imported as one single clip? This seems to be a big reason why editors don’t like p2 because they like browsing through one solid clip, as if it were one tape. Does anyone have thoughts on this? thanks
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[Seth Keal] ” does anyone know in the future if P2 will be able to be imported as one single clip?”
Nope….but this is true with ALL tapeless formats. XDCAM EX, RED, AVCHD. They all import as a mass of clips, one for each time the camera is started and stopped.
Solution? Put the clips into a sequence and then use that sequence as your sub-master. But make SURE to map OVERWRITE WITH CONTENT to the F10 button, and INSERT WITH CONTENT to F9…otherwise your footage will be nested and that is a bad thing.
Shane
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Yes, this is what I do, just hoping there might be a new solution that I haven’t heard of. thanks
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We work on a “virtual tape” option to load the entire card in as one single clip.
There are lots of benefits with the P2 structure “as it is”, some want to include the audio, some to exclude it to work with external audio files. Enabling this on the application level and not within the component provides all options and preserves project compatibility with systems like Avid or Autodesk that also access native MXF P2 content.
We manage a lot of projects where the P2 audio is not required and gets imported from other devices or they mix all together. The issue you mentioned applies to every project with external audio, including P2 (in fact P2 audio behaves like external audio). This can be greatly handled with the right editing style – FCP is very flexible so it allows lots of stuff, some things should be avoided.
For example never use the Mediamanager with native P2 as this destroys the original P2 file and folder structure – same applies with Avid and media consolidate.
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So when using MXF4Mac, Never use the media managment? Good to know, I’m putting a note on the editors computer right now. What is the virtual tape option? thanks Bjoern!
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