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Major Rendering Issue – Please Help!
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> I have no idea why the desktop has Centrino/Mobile components or even that they were laptop components, but I guess so…
OK, it all makes sense now that you gave me the link. Those are the All-In-One computers which are meant to compete with the iMac. They call them “desktops” but technically they are just laptops on a stick with a detached keyboard. 😉 Still they are pretty cool machines if that’s what you like but they are not expandable at all. What you buy is what you get.
It is impossible for me to give you advice about what computer you should buy without first understanding how you will use it. I’m guessing that since your source files are WMV that you are not a videographer doing this for a living and need a machine that you can “bet your clients” on. Where did those files come from? Do you own a video camera and that is the source of most of your editing? Do you have or are you planning to work with HD footage and want burn Blu-ray discs? If you want to use the computer for the next four years will you be editing HD 4 years from now? These are all thing you need to consider.
You have to balance your desire for video editing with your need for other things you will use the computer for. If video editing is a hobby and you like the All-In-One design, the Sony VAIO® LT Series PC/TV All-in-One (VGC-LT38E) that you linked to with the 1TB drive looks like it would be a fine computer for your casual video work.
If you want to get a Quad-Core then I would abandon the All-In-One’s and just get a regular tower desktop like this HP Pavilion Elite d5000t ATX series which will render twice as fast because it has a Quad-Core (that’s 4 CPU cores instead of 2 in a Dual-Core)
The Dell links did not work because they were in your shopping cart and I could not access them but is doesn’t matter because personally I could never recommend a Dell in good conscience. (Long story, documented on my web site).
I don’t want to steer you away from the All-In-One’s but understand that you are paying a premium for that convenience and you will pay more money for a less powerful computer than if you buy a traditional tower and a display.
> Also… When you say “source files” did you mean the . zip file? Because after I extracted the media from those… I deleted them. 🙁
When I say source I’m referring to the files that you have placed on the Vegas timeline (i.e., those pesky WMV files that wouldn’t render).
~jr
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No. I am not a videographer. Lol. I’m a highschool senior.
I edit music video type-things using clips from television shows. I manipulate the clips to tell a story thats based around certain song lyrics. (It’s become quite a fad on YouTube). However, when I go to college next fall, I plan to Major in English and Minor in Television Production.
I get my clips from fan websites about particular shows, the ones from the video that won’t render are from https://brooke-lucas.org/media/.
I do not own a video camera, but when I get to college I know I will begin to use one, etc.
The same goes for the High-Definition footage and the Blu-Ray discs.
And yes, I plan to edit four years from now.
I plan to use this computer for editing the same type of videos that I do now, as well as, any projects I will have in class in college.
I also plan to use it for web-surfing, watching DVD’s and ripping clips from them and of course, my future career (at least until it dies).I definitely agree with the VAIO LP Series and that it would be good for what I am doing now… However, would it still work properly and perform well once I begin actual course-work in college?
Will it still perform when I begin using it for my career?I think it is smartest to get the Quad Core, but I’ve never had an HP computer. Are they reliable?
The reason I’ve focused so much on Sony Vaio is because I had a computer like it about a year ago that performed amazingly for about 3 years until it was stolen. So, I’m weary about trying other computers.
However, if you believe that the HP would suit all of my possible uses, then I will trust your judgement.
Lol! The only reason I suggested the Dell’s was because my roomate has one and he loves it, etc. Although he uses it particularly for gaming.
I hate Dells, too. But I’m glad you gave me your opinion as well, because I was actually being persuaded by this pesky sales dude.When you say I am paying more money for the convenience, did you mean of the All-In-One? And how exactly is it an all in one? Simply because it has… What?
I think I will go with the traditional tower&display, but do you know which is the best? Which would suit my possible future/current needs? And which is the one that will last the longest?
Do you know if Vaio has a traditional tower/display, because that is the type of computer I used to have? Although, it looks as though they don’t make them anymore.( I could surely look it up.) -
OK this gives me a lot of good information.
> No. I am not a videographer. Lol. I’m a highschool senior.
I taught an after school video workshop a few years back. It’s great to see high school students showing an interest in making movies. Good for you!
> I definitely agree with the VAIO LP Series and that it would be good for what I am doing now… However, would it still work properly and perform well once I begin actual course-work in college?
Good point! I would check with your future college and find out what video editing software they use. If they use Apple Final Cut you will need a Mac. Since the Intel based Mac’s can run XP via “bootcamp” an iMac might not be a bad choice. If the college uses Windows software then continue with your PC purchase.
> Will it still perform when I begin using it for my career?
Probably not with only a dual-core. Quad-cores are pretty standard today and in the future having 8 cores will be commonplace. Dual-cores are at the end of their service life and HiDef is making quad-cores a minimum requirement.
> I think it is smartest to get the Quad Core, but I’ve never had an HP computer. Are they reliable?
I recommended HP because they do build very good computers. I was at their booth at the last NAB show and their workstation line has models that are specially built for video editing. Unfortunately, the workstation line is also more expensive which is why I directed you to their home line. If you want to look into an HP workstation the least expensive ones with quad-cores are the HP xw6600 Workstations, and the HP xw8600 Workstations. Those are computers that will last a few years and have room to upgrade hard drives and memory.
Lenovo also builds very solid computers (they bought the business from IBM) I would look at their ThinkStation workstations. There come in quad-core configurations. So do the ThinkCentre M Series. I just bought a little Lenovo S10 NetBook and they are outstanding quality for such a small device. (but not for video editing) Lenovo is know for their quality.
> However, if you believe that the HP would suit all of my possible uses, then I will trust your judgement.
I would look around. It’s an expensive decision. HP is a good starting place but you also might consider buying a good gaming PC because the demands are quite the same (i.e., fast CPU, fast graphics card and hard drives).
> When you say I am paying more money for the convenience, did you mean of the All-In-One? And how exactly is it an all in one? Simply because it has… What?
All-In-One computers are just a display and a keyboard and that’s it! The motherboard, hard drives, DVD drive, etc. are all built into the display section (actually behind the display). This is why laptop parts are often used because there is not a lot of room and no big fans so it’s basically a laptop with a detachable keyboard. I absolutely love the idea as a general purpose PC but they don’t yet come with quad-cores and CPU power is everything when rendering video (4 cores really are twice as fast as 2).
> Do you know if Vaio has a traditional tower/display, because that is the type of computer I used to have? Although, it looks as though they don’t make them anymore.( I could surely look it up.)
Sony doesn’t seem to build towers anymore but the VAIO towers were very good. I would look at the major manufacturers and see what they have to offer. If you are going to keep it for 4 years, your main criteria should be a quad-core processor, 2-4 GB of memory, and at least 2 hard drives, one for applications and one for video files and rendering. If you think you might upgrade in 2 years, the Sony VAIO is fine for now. With 4GB of memory and 1TB of hard disc space it was perfect except for a dual-core instead of a quad-core.
Once again, don’t forget to ask your future college if they use Macs!!!
~jr
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> It’s great to see high school students showing an interest in making movies. Good for you!
I completely agree. It’s kind of sad because in my TV Production class, all of the kids are so ridiculous. All of the kids are only in the class because they get to sit around a computer and try to get on Myspace.
I don’t understand why they don’t take advantage of it.
I actually fell in love with Producing because I fell in love with this television show called One Tree Hill and I drove to where its filmed and got the opportunity to extra on set. And I spent more time watching the men behind the scenes, than the actors. Haha. Ever since then, I’m just completely in love with the entire field.
I’m quite the amateur now, but.. I’m improving. 🙂> Since the Intel based Mac’s can run XP via “bootcamp” an iMac might not be a bad choice. If the college uses Windows software then continue with your PC purchase.
I think I am going to continue with my PC purchase either way because I am truly not very good on Mac’s and although my boyfriend will be in Florida for my first year of school, he just purchased a brand new iMac, so I can just mooch off of him. Of course, if it is an absolute requirement, I will get one. But I still have quite a while until college and I want to try to get some practice on Final Cut Pro before hand.> This is why laptop parts are often used because there is not a lot of room and no big fans so it’s basically a laptop with a detachable keyboard. I absolutely love the idea as a general purpose PC but they don’t yet come with quad-cores and CPU power is everything when rendering video (4 cores really are twice as fast as 2).
I found this https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001G0MP5Q computer and it says that it has a Intel Core 2 Quad Q9400 (2.66GHz), 4MB L2 cache, is that not a quad core because it says “2 Quad”? Or if it was, would it say “Intel Core 4 Quad Q9400”?
I really can’t seem to find any other computers besides HP that have Quad-Core processors?
Do you know of any others?
And is HP the best, you think? o.O
>With 4GB of memory and 1TB of hard disc space it was perfect except for a dual-core instead of a quad-core.
Now, is the 1TB the same as 2 500GB Harddrives?
If so, why is the 2 500GB better?
And where/on which computers can I find one with just TWO 500GB harddrives instead on one or the T1?
And what would the spec read if it was a Quad-Core, like, how would I know?Finally a few “recommendation” questions about an HP computer I am looking at:
Which of these three would you recommend for processors:
Intel(R) Core(TM) 2 Quad processor Q9300 (2.5GHz)Intel(R) Core(TM) 2 Quad processor Q9400 (2.66GHz)
Intel(R) Core(TM) 2 Quad processor Q9550 (2.83GHz)
Which of these two would you recommend for Memory:
4GB DDR2-800MHz dual channel SDRAM (4×1024)
A 64-bit Operating System is required to take full advantage of 4GB or greater memory. A 32-bit Operating System only recognizes up to 3GB memory.6GB DDR2-800MHz dual channel SDRAM (2×2048,2×1024)
The 6GB memory option requires the 64-bit Windows Vista Ultimate operating system in order to enable the full memory capability.Which of these for the Graphics Card:
256MB NVIDIA GeForce 9300, DVI-I, VGA adapter,HDMI512MB NVIDIA GeForce 9500GS, DVI-I, VGA, HDMI
768MB NVIDIA GeForce 9600GS, DVI-I, VGA, HDMI
1GB NVIDIA GeForce 9800GT, 2 DVI, HDMI adapter
Which of these for Hard Drive:
500GB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard drive640GB RAID 0 (2 x 320GB SATA HDDs) – performance
750GB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard drive
500GB RAID 1 (2 x 500GB SATA HDDs) – data security
1TB RAID 0 (2 x 500GB SATA HDDs) – performance
1TB 7200 rpm SATA 3Gb/s hard drive
Which of these for a Monitor:
I don’t understand – does one have speakers built-in and one does not?o.oHP w2207h 22″ Wide Flat Panel Monitor more info
Connections: VGA, HDMI (with HDCP)HP w2408h 24in Wide flat panel, integrated speakers
Connections: VGA, HDMI (with HDCP)—–
From the specs for the Harddrive of this computer^ it looks, to me, like…
500GB RAID 1 (2 x 500GB SATA HDDs)1TB RAID 0 (2 x 500GB SATA HDDs)
…are the same. They are both 2 500 GB drives put together… Except, whatever a RAID is, the 500GB one has 1… lol. What does that mean?
EDIT:
I finally found a Sony Vaio with a Quad Core:
https://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Sony-VAIO-VGC-RT100Y-25-5-All-In-One-Desktop-HDTV-VGC-RT100Y/sem/rpsm/oid/227730/catOid/-12962/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do
Does that sound good?
It says that* This desktop features 4GB of advanced DDR2 system memory—enough to run demanding programs without any problems.
* Data travels to the processor along the frontside bus. The faster data travels, the faster everything works. This 1333MHz frontside bus is fast, ideal for movies and video editing.
* L2 caches keep data neat, organized, and nearby so processors can retrieve it quickly. This 4MB L2 cache is very large, providing a potentially strong boost in performance.
* Massive hard drive: This VAIO contains dual 500GB, 7200RPM hard drives for a total of 1TB of storage space. The drives are set up in a RAID configuration, so your data flows better, faster and is safer from catastrophic losses.
* Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate (64-bit): This is the most comprehensive edition of Windows Vista, combining infrastructure features of a business-focused OS, efficiency features of a mobility-focused OS, and entertainment features of a consumer-focused OS. If you need one OS that’s great for working from home, working on the road, and for entertainment, Windows Vista Ultimate lets you have it all.
* Audio/video: This VAIO features NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT GPU graphics with 512MB of dedicated video memory, and up to 2270 MB of total video memory. This video memory is perfect for enjoying high-definition movies on Blu-ray Disc, tackling graphics-intensive games or editing photos and videos. The built-in speakers, including a subwoofer, provide compelling 3D sound (2 x 5W stereo speakers, 11W subwoofer).
* Media card reader: Seamlessly transfer images from your digital camera or camcorder. This reader is compatible with Compact Flash, Memory Stick Duo with MagicGate functionality and Secure Digital Media (SD) cards.
Or is it still not as good as the tower?
Are there any other computers besides HP that you would recommend?
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> I actually fell in love with Producing because I fell in love with this television show called One Tree Hill and I drove to where its filmed and got the opportunity to extra on set. And I spent more time watching the men behind the scenes, than the actors.
lol, then you got “the bug”! When I was in college I majored in computer science but I had some open electives and so I took a course in TV production and that was all it took for me. I instantly fell in love with “behind the scenes” too. Of course back then, desktop video editing didn’t exist but as soon as NLE software hit the shelves I bought it and the rest, as they say, is history. 😉 You keep at it.
> I found this https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001G0MP5Q computer and it says that it has a Intel Core 2 Quad Q9400 (2.66GHz), 4MB L2 cache, is that not a quad core because it says “2 Quad”? Or if it was, would it say “Intel Core 4 Quad Q9400”?
That is one of the most confusing things that Intel has ever done. Core 2 has nothing to do with how many cores. 🙁 It is there second generation Core technology (the first generation was a disaster and were slower that single cores, so they came up with the name Core 2 for their 2nd generation chips). That means “Core 2 Duo” is a 2nd gen dual-core and “Core 2 Quad” is a 2nd gen quad-core. So what you were looking at was indeed a quad-core.
BTW, that is a monster of a machine but it’s almost $4000!!! That’s a long way for the $2000 PC you were looking at. When someone points to a link, I usually take that to mean that this is also their price range which is why I tried to stay around $2000 in my recommendations. If you can afford that machine go for it!
> Now, is the 1TB the same as 2 500GB Harddrives? If so, why is the 2 500GB better?
Working with video, especially HD video, requires a lot of disk space and throughput. It also requires that the disk is fast enough to read the video data in real-time (where here in the US, real-time means approximately 30 frames per second).
The way a hard drive works is there is a read/write head that moves along the length of the disc and reads or writes data. The operative word in that last sentence is “OR”. It can read, or it can write, but it can’t do both at the same time. If you have 2 drives, one can be reading while the other is writing. One of the major tasks in video editing is rendering where you read from one file, modify the frame, and write to another file. Having two physical hard drives, (either separate or in a RAID 0) gives you better throughput because you can now read and write simultaneously (not to mention that the head can stay over the same position it’s work on and not have to move back and forth between the read position and write position which takes time). That may have been more computer theory than you need but hopefully it makes sense to you.
Bottom line: For video editing, 2 500GB hard drives (which equal 1TB in capacity) are better than one big 1TB hard drive.
> From the specs for the Harddrive of this computer^ it looks, to me, like…
500GB RAID 1 (2 x 500GB SATA HDDs)
1TB RAID 0 (2 x 500GB SATA HDDs)
are the same. They are both 2 500 GB drives put together… Except, whatever a RAID is, the 500GB one has 1… lol. What does that mean?
RAID technology comes in a few formats. RAID 0 takes two discs and makes them behave as one disc, only faster! (because there are two heads remember? and everyone knows… “two heads are better than one” lol) So two 500GB discs look like a 1TB disc to your PC. RAID 1 mirrors two discs. So everything you write on the first disc, gets copied to the second for safe keeping. Because the second disk is a copy, 2 500GB discs in a RAID 1 equal only 500GB. You would use RAID 1 for an application that could not tolerate a hard drive failure like Banking where loosing customer’s data is a bad thing. It is really not needed for most video editing and RAID 0 is preferred for its increase in speed. I have my video discs configured in a RAID 0.
> I finally found a Sony Vaio with a Quad Core: Sony VAIO VGC-RT100Y Does that sound good?
That Sony VAIO VGC-RT100Y looks great. If you can afford it, go for it. The Sony VAIO VGC-RT150Y at Amazon is even better (with a 2.66GHz Quad-Core and 8GB memory for only $500 more). The Sony VAIO VGC-RT150Y is not going to run out of steam any time soon. My PC is a 2.66GHz Quad-Core with 8GB of memory so you would have what I have only yours would take up less space (I’m really starting to like those All-In-Ones) 😉
After seeing the RT series, I would buy one of the Sony VAIO’s myself. The thing about a tower is that it is expandable but the VAIO already has everything you could possibly want. It’s got a fast quad-core, it’s got plenty of memory, it’s got 1TB or hard drive in a RAID 0, it’s got Blu-ray… let’s face it… it’s got it all. Like I said, it has everything my PC has and I’m editing HD so it should serve you well for years to come and it’s a perfect size for a dorm room. 😉
~jr
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> You keep at it!
I definitely plan to keep at it! 🙂 Sometimes it just freaks me out because I know that job stability isn’t the thing that television production is known for. I am also well aware of how competitive the field is, which is why I am so persistent on getting the proper technology and honing the skills I have.> That means “Core 2 Duo” is a 2nd gen dual-core and “Core 2 Quad” is a 2nd gen quad-core. So what you were looking at was indeed a quad-core.
Ok. That definitely makes SO much more sense now. Lol, I can actually understand what I am reading and everything now thanks to you and all of your awesome knowledge.
You have no idea how greatful I am!>That may have been more computer theory than you need but hopefully it makes sense to you.
That actually makes everything so much clearer. Before, I was absolutely lost as to the difference and why it mattered/why they were so important in the first place. Again, your awesome. Thanks so much. 😀
It’s definitely better to know what your asking about when you ask, lol.>Bottom line: For video editing, 2 500GB hard drives (which equal 1TB in capacity) are better than one big 1TB hard drive.
You said that the computer from Amazon has everything I could want and more, so, I definitely think I am going to go for this computer: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001G0MP5QBut does it have 2 500GB harddrives and not just 1 big TB? Cause it says this: Blu-ray Disc optical drive and 1TB HDD with RAID technology …. ?
>You would use RAID 1 for an application that could not tolerate a hard drive failure like Banking where loosing customer’s data is a bad thing. It is really not needed for most video editing and RAID 0 is preferred for its increase in speed. I have my video discs configured in a RAID 0.
Oh! Okay! Now it ALL makes sense. I was like “Wtf”?
But okay, I will look for the RAID 0…
Once again, I REALLY want the computer from Amazon(the only reason I can afford it is because my dad is buying it for me), but does it have RAID0? because it said that is has RAID technology but it doesn’t specify…> The thing about a tower is that it is expandable but the VAIO already has everything you could possibly want. It’s got a fast quad-core, it’s got plenty of memory, it’s got 1TB or hard drive in a RAID 0, it’s got Blu-ray… let’s face it… it’s got it all. It should serve you well for years to come and it’s a perfect size for a dorm room. 😉
Thank you so much for all of that! That really solidifies my decision to get that computer. However, I’ve already asked, but how did you know it has RAID 0? The only thing I can find about it is that it has RAID technology.
And are you sure its the best because you said that a 1TB harddrive is not as good as 2 500 GB ones.—-
I apologize if I seem to be repeating questions (cause thats at least what it sounds like to me). I am jsut trying to understand as thoroughly as possible and ask as many questions as I can think of so that I can decide on the correct purchase.
P.S. – I still have to attempt to convert all of those media clips in my project from WMV to DVI and I plan to do it in the next few days. Throughout our posts, I will let you know how it goes upon completion.
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> I’ve already asked, but how did you know it has RAID 0? The only thing I can find about it is that it has RAID technology. And are you sure its the best because you said that a 1TB harddrive is not as good as 2 500 GB ones.
I cheated of course. 😉 I went to the Sony Style site and looked up the VGC-RT150Y and it said:
Hard Drive
* Capacity : 1TB (500GBx2)
* Interface : Serial ATA
* Speed : 7200rpm
* Technology : RAID 0 TechnologySo it’s definitely RAID 0 and it’s definitely 2x500GB to give you 1TB. It’s perfect. That is one killer system. You’re gonna love it!
~jr
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Okay… so… bad news.
I just finished rendering all of the media files I have in my project with the specifications you suggested….
I began rendering the project.
It barely got past 1% which isn’t even near past the Generated Media frame, and it froze. I got this message “An Error Occured While Creating The File BL.wmv. The reason for the error could not be determined.”
And then the program shut down…
>.< Any ideas? 'Cause I have rendered about four projects besides this one so I know it's not the program. And now, since I already re-rendered all of the media files, I don't think it's the clips, either... -
Ok… So, I thought I had it figured out…
I opened up the project where I re-rendered all of the clips to avi again and attempted to render it to avi itself(which I wasn’t doing before!). It actually got to 34%!!!… and then stopped.
However, the Elapsed Time meter kept rising while the Approximate Time Left meter kept reducing….
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Can you render it to AVI in sections? Maybe 4 sections so that’s only 25% each. Just create a timeline selection and when you render check the box that says [x] Render Loop Region Only. Then place the 4 AVI’s into a new project and render the whole thing to the final format.
~jr
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http://www.vasst.com
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