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“Magnetic timeline” is a joke, want an option to turn it off
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[Chris Kenny] “It’s not changing the lengths of your clips.”
Wrong. If there is a transition by default it changes the lengths of the clip. And it is always changing the length of the program.
[Chris Kenny] “And most actions can be performed without rippling.”
Having to use workarounds is distracting.
[Chris Kenny] “It’s far more plausible that something that came out last week isn’t being understood properly than that something that has been around for almost 20 years isn’t being understood properly.”
It didn’t came out last week. It is one of the timeline modes in every second NLE, shipping or discontinued.
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[Michael Aranyshev] “Wrong. If there is a transition by default it changes the lengths of the clip. And it is always changing the length of the program.”
You can disable that transition behavior. And arguably it’s the behavior you’re advocating that changes the length of the clip, because it results in image data from the clip being visible starting before the in point and continuing after your out point. In contrast, the default FCP X behavior, to which you are objecting, entirely respects your in points and out points.
This is sort of what I’m talking about. You’re identifying this new default behavior as taking away your control, but an equally compelling case could be made for the reverse. You’re just used to one behavior and not the other.
As far as ripple deleting, etc. impacting the length of your overall program, FCP 7 has lots of edit actions that do that, starting with ‘Insert’. It’s not as if FCP X doesn’t have a non-rippeled delete mode. It’s just shift-delete rather than delete, the reverse of FCP 7.
[Michael Aranyshev] “Having to use workarounds is distracting.”
They’re not ‘workarounds’. FCP 7 has a specific set of default behaviors that you’re used to. FCP X has a different default set of behaviors. There is nothing inherently wrong with FCP X’s set of default behaviors. In fact, in most cases I can make a compelling argument that, objectively, FCP X’s behavior more sense.
[Michael Aranyshev] “It didn’t came out last week. It is one of the timeline modes in every second NLE, shipping or discontinued.”
Please point to some examples.
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[Chris Kenny] “It’s not as if FCP X doesn’t have a non-rippeled delete mode”
It doesn’t have non-ripple Cut and non-ripple Paste.
[Chris Kenny] “Please point to some examples.”
Discreet edit, Fast/Pinnacle/Avid Liquid, Sony Vegas, Avid Media Composer
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[Michael Aranyshev] “It doesn’t have non-ripple Cut and non-ripple Paste.”
Overwrite which is “D”
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[Michael Aranyshev] “It doesn’t have non-ripple Cut and non-ripple Paste.”
You’re right. It doesn’t provide every editing feature of FCP 7’s timeline. But it does provide quite a few features that FCP 7’s timeline doesn’t. You can’t just arbitrarily declare that FCP 7’s features are just the right ones, so FCP X must be less professional, or whatever.
[Michael Aranyshev] “Discreet edit, Fast/Pinnacle/Avid Liquid, Sony Vegas, Avid Media Composer”
I wasn’t actually asking for a list on NLEs, but for some kind of documentation of the fact that they implemented a substantial fraction of the behavior of the magnetic timeline. Because I seriously doubt that. I think what you really mean is that they had modes where they’d ripple by default, but with the magnetic timeline that’s just one piece of the puzzle.
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[Michael Aranyshev] “It doesn’t have non-ripple Cut”
Shift Delete will delete and clip and not ripple.
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[Chris Kenny] “You can’t just arbitrarily declare that FCP 7’s features are just the right ones, so FCP X must be less professional, or whatever”
Why not? You’re arbitrary declaring magnetic timeline the future of editing and slapping “don’t get it” label on people who disagree because you can. I can express my opinion too.
[Chris Kenny] ” think what you really mean is that they had modes where they’d ripple by default, but with the magnetic timeline that’s just one piece of the puzzle.”
No it is not. The whole “magnetic” thing is just same old insert mode. All other bizarre stuff comes under the “trackless” moniker.
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“Cut” you know. Command-X. In the Edit menu. Paste. Command-V. They ripple.
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It will delete. It will not place a clip into the clipboard.
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[Michael Aranyshev] “Why not? You’re arbitrary declaring magnetic timeline the future of editing and slapping “don’t get it” label on people who disagree because you can. I can express my opinion too.”
Actually, I’m saying there’s nothing inherently ‘non-professional’ about the magnetic timeline, and slapping a “don’t get it” label on people who say things that demonstrate they don’t get it.
[Michael Aranyshev] “No it is not. The whole “magnetic” thing is just same old insert mode. All other bizarre stuff comes under the “trackless” moniker.”
Things like this.
The magnetic features of the timeline are not meaningfully separable from the trackless features. All of the magnetic behaviors related to clip collisions — which enable the magnetic behaviors generally — are enabled by the trackless approach. Without this approach, the timeline doesn’t have enough flexibility for the app to safely move clips around in the way the magnetic timeline requires.
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