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MacBook Pros “underpowered?” Not for FCP X editors. Not AT ALL.
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[andy patterson] “Having said that I don’t doubt there are other people here who have used some obscure NLE that may have had innovative features. I myself would love to hear about them. “
Incite – on that you could edit while capturing at the same time.
[andy patterson] “Would you want to edit native ACVHD using FCP 7 while I use Premiere Pro CS 5? “
No, I had that choice but I chose to transcode and use the very excellent FCP7 instead of using the unreliable dog that was CS5 🙂
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[andy patterson] “For the record even Premiere Pro CS 4.0 could edit AVCHD natively with a Core 2 Quad. “
So what. PPro 4 was a horrid piece of software. It didn’t begin to compete with FCP till version 6, which was still about a mile behind. It wasn’t until the CC versions began that a broadcast editor could begin to work with Ppro without pulling their hair out. I say that as someone who started working with Ppro ver1. The fact that it could handle a couple of codec’s natively that FCP7 couldn’t in no way justifies this sentence of yours :
“Premiere Pro CS 5.0 was much better than FCP 7 as well.”
Only true if the entirety of your workflow was ingesting and exporting AVCHD. If you had to do any actual, you know, editing, that statement is absurd.
Currently I work with Ppro CC and I’m quite happy with it, but lets leave the hyperbole out of this discussion.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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[Herb Sevush] “”Premiere Pro CS 5.0 was much better than FCP 7 as well.”
Only true if the entirety of your workflow was ingesting and exporting AVCHD. If you had to do any actual, you know, editing, that statement is absurd.”
He’s the first Editor I’ve EVER heard make that statement
I’ve Edited with Premiere since before it was Premiere Pro and it was horrid all the way to the early CC versions
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[Steve Connor] “[andy patterson] “Would you want to edit native ACVHD using FCP 7 while I use Premiere Pro CS 5? ”
No, I had that choice but I chose to transcode and use the very excellent FCP7 instead of using the unreliable dog that was CS5 :)”
Don’t let anyone ever tell you you chose wisely. I have used FCP 7.
Having said that wanna race? You can use FCP 7 and I’ll use PP CS 5.0. While you are transcoding I will be editing : )
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[Bill Davis] ” I can easily point to the other companies ADOPTING efficiency concepts X has been using for 6 years like the proxy workflow and skimming and folding those into their own software as their hardware has developed to accommodated them. “
This is controversial. FCPX is the first NLE I know of to integrate a basic MAM system, and the timeline structure is unique, but proxies and skimming are questionable claims.
FCP X’s media management system is very, very similar to Smoke’s:
FCPX native media = Smoke’s soft-imported media
FCPX optimized media = Smoke’s hard-imported, cached (or “stonified”) media
FCPX proxy = Smoke’s proxySmoke has had proxies since 2003 [link], and background processing (including proxy generation) since 2006 [link]. Smoke/Flame proxies are like a setting or a mode, not separate media which needs to be relinked; FCPX proxies works much the same way.
Smoke/Flame have also had what FCP users used to call “picon scrubbing” as a major feature of daily workflow since dinosaurs roamed the earth. This is not quite the skimmer nor hover scrub, but it might well be their dad. Additionally, Dennis Radeke has stated here [link]:
“Hover Scrub and the FCPX Skimming feature were developed in tandem and released at basically the same time. Great ideas can be thought of and explored by multiple people and companies at the same time. I think of Tesla and Edison with electricity. Many different people were working on early flight as well…. I could go on.”All that said, I’d agree with you that Apple has the best skimming implementation by a big margin.
[Bill Davis] “How has AVID or Premiere Pro singularly evolved to move the industry forward? “
I’d have to let others speak for Avid, but Adobe has done quite a lot to move the industry forward.
First, there’s the whole “suite” concept. Adobe’s products work together and their offerings extend way beyond video. You can produce an entire campaign across multiple media and channels, using Adobe products the whole way though.
There’s Creative Cloud. I know a lot of folks here are opposed to subscription pricing, but this is a major game changer for small and large agencies alike that makes costs both predictable and scalable and makes it easier to stay up-to-date.
There are the other services Adobe offers, like TypeKit, Stock, Marketing Cloud. I’m really curious to see what Adobe Sensei (Adobe’s new machine learning platform) will bring.
Premiere specific advancements? Adobe didn’t invent multi-format editorial or GPU acceleration, but they certainly popularized both. Then there’s dynamic link, VR support, the panels architecture, HDR support, touch/gesture support in the UI, integration with the Premiere Clip mobile app, Adobe Story integration, Cloud features like Libraries and Team Projects, marketing integrations over social media…
Apple and Adobe are both innovating and moving the industry forward, but they have very different approaches.
Walter Soyka
Designer & Mad Scientist at Keen Live [link]
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
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[andy patterson] “Don’t let anyone ever tell you you chose wisely. I have used FCP 7.
Having said that wanna race? You can use FCP 7 and I’ll use PP CS 5.0. While you are transcoding I will be editing : )
“Yep CS5, it was SOOO great that it was widely used across the Industry and there were LOADS of Freelance jobs around for it, whereas that FCP7 that you think isn’t a wise choice was hardly used and there was NO Freelance work for it.
But you feel free have a race, because that’s what Editing is – a race!
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[andy patterson] “While you are transcoding I will be editing : )”
After taking at eternity to generate peak files of course
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[Steve Connor] “After taking at eternity to generate peak files of course”
I did leave peak file generation out of my list of Adobe innovations. I apologize for my oversight.
Walter Soyka
Designer & Mad Scientist at Keen Live [link]
Motion Graphics, Widescreen Events, Presentation Design, and Consulting
@keenlive | RenderBreak [blog] | Profile [LinkedIn] -
[Steve Connor] “[andy patterson] “Don’t let anyone ever tell you you chose wisely. I have used FCP 7.
Having said that wanna race? You can use FCP 7 and I’ll use PP CS 5.0. While you are transcoding I will be editing : )
”Yep CS5, it was SOOO great that it was widely used across the Industry and there were LOADS of Freelance jobs around for it, whereas that FCP7 that you think isn’t a wise choice was hardly used and there was NO Freelance work for it.
But you feel free have a race, because that’s what Editing is – a race!”
I think it depended on where you tended to work and what kind of jobs you were looking for. When I was freelancing, there were plenty of jobs that called for knowledge of Premiere – most of those weren’t pure editing jobs, but I did have to know it to work. I think it’s easy to underestimate how many people were using Premiere for paid work back in those days… but we were working nonetheless. I imagine that sounds crazy to an audience of FCP users.☺
Lastly, everything you’re saying about PPro CS5 could be said about Motion today… does that mean it’s not a good or useful application? ☺
Shawn
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[Shawn Miller] “Lastly, everything you’re saying about PPro CS5 could be said about Motion today… does that mean it’s not a good or useful application?”
The statement under scrutiny is that Ppro5 was a better editing AP than FCP7. Nobody is arguing that Ppro was useless, just that an unqualified “better” does not accurately describe it in comparison to FCP7.
Herb Sevush
Zebra Productions
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nothin\’ attached to nothin\’
\”Deciding the spine is the process of editing\” F. Bieberkopf
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