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  • Jeremy Garchow

    June 13, 2012 at 10:12 pm

    [Craig Seeman] “Cook has spoken. Now we get to make our purchase decision. We can wait until later next year or move on. At least we know.”

    I wondered why the iPhone 5 wasn’t pre-announced onstage at the WWDC?

    MY BUSINESS DEPENDS ON MY CELL PHONE GIMME THE NEXT GEN XEON PHONE PLEASE NOW K THANKS IN AN EMAIL

  • Chris Harlan

    June 13, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    [Bill Davis] “I is SAVED!”

    Hey Bill, I’m not the one with the Traveling Salvation Show. As far as FCP X is concerned you are the original, one-and-only Brother Love. But hey, I LOVE the song:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmP43qsAXvk

  • Chris Harlan

    June 13, 2012 at 10:29 pm

    [Bill Davis] ” but the essential originals and any transcodes are always left as is. From that point, everything is just instructions (metadata) about how you want to manipulate that original data.”

    But how is that different from what every other NLE does? You can make that same statement about pretty much every NLE that currently exists.

  • Liam Hall

    June 13, 2012 at 11:07 pm

    [Bill Davis]
    A representative sample of my recent projects out of FCP-X would be…

    – Broadcast HD Commercials (with SD down convert for cable) to SoCal NBC, CBS and Cox affiliates.
    – Corporate Powerpoint presentations combined with narrated video embeds produced in my studio using X then deployed to the web for access by nationwide sales teams numbering in the hundreds.
    – Multiple “re-branding campaign” Internal corporate videos for a huge national health care payments processing company.
    – A 16 minute training video on “safe chemical handling” for the country’s largest national pool supplies retail chain.

    – Plus, of course, my current personal obsession, the 14-camera “performance video” I self-funded working with a local Jazz education “not-for-profit” – to try to explore the limits of the multi-cam capabilities of FCP-X. (1st rough cut done as of late last night! – yippee!)

    I think I’m up to about 50 paid FCP-X projects at this point. In a variety of complexities and different types.

    Are you interested in some particular aspect of my work that I can answer questions about?”

    Thanks for your reply Bill. I’ve just been trying to gauge what those of you who are using on a FCPX daily basis are actually cutting with it. Nice to see you have a broad range of jobs there.

    Liam Hall
    Director/DoP/Editor
    http://www.liamhall.net

  • Bill Davis

    June 14, 2012 at 12:12 am

    [Chris Harlan] “But how is that different from what every other NLE does? You can make that same statement about pretty much every NLE that currently exists.

    I’m not a programmer so I can’t answer that.

    But I wonder if Legacy was “the same” then why did it force us to render after every minor change? Maybe it to was just “keeping track of metadata changes” but if so, it had a nasty habit of keeping the results of that manipulation away from us until it had complete all of it calculations and was willing to show us the results.

    And of course, the biggest difference in my thinking is that in Legacy – each project was an island. Close the project and everything about it other than the name and the FCP icon was hidden.

    With X, everything remains scannable and accessible – whether open or not – via the Project Library.

    I think that’s a fundamental change for the better among many.

    All I know for sure is that I just can’t go back.

    Working in legacy is now actually painfully frustrating for me. It seems slow and old fashioned – but I fully appreciate it that this is NOT true for the legions of operators who productively edit with it every day.

    I just feel like X has improved the entire editing experience for me.

    Probably just because I’m weird, tho.

    “Before speaking out ask yourself whether your words are true, whether they are respectful and whether they are needed in our civil discussions.”-Justice O’Connor

  • Chris Harlan

    June 14, 2012 at 1:24 am

    [Bill Davis] “But I wonder if Legacy was “the same” then why did it force us to render after every minor change? Maybe it to was just “keeping track of metadata changes” but if so, it had a nasty habit of keeping the results of that manipulation away from us until it had complete all of it calculations and was willing to show us the results.

    Well, it didn’t actually have to render after every minor change. Every time you made a cut, or added a dissolve, or brought down/pushed up the volume, or panned the tracks, or used certain specially enabled effects, you did not have to render. You original material remained unaltered, and metadata kept track of what was going on. Every cut, every slip and slide, every paste and delete is all metadata in action–just a bunch of stuff in memory–that in no way alters your source material. Renders, of course, don’t alter it either, they just add to the source material to cut down on the overhead. So, when you apply, say, a complicated blur filter to a clip (which is also an artificial abstraction of the larger source material) you are applying a set of metadata rules that simply take too much time to apply for playback in real time, hence the need for a render. But, the treatment of the source material and the application of descriptive metadata to manipulate it is standard to all modern EDLs.

    [Bill Davis] “And of course, the biggest difference in my thinking is that in Legacy – each project was an island. Close the project and everything about it other than the name and the FCP icon was hidden.

    With X, everything remains scannable and accessible – whether open or not – via the Project Library. “

    Certainly it could seem that way. However, if you organize your project folders and sub folders in OS X just the right way, the preview functions of the OS give you much of the functionality you are talking about. Something that a lot of people seem not to know is that you can drag and drop directly into FCP. That, of course, in no way detracts from the value of the Project Library. I’m just saying that there are other ways.

    [Bill Davis] “All I know for sure is that I just can’t go back.

    No reason you should have to!

    [Bill Davis] “Working in legacy is now actually painfully frustrating for me. It seems slow and old fashioned – but I fully appreciate it that this is NOT true for the legions of operators who productively edit with it every day.

    I just feel like X has improved the entire editing experience for me.

    And that is terrific. FCP X has some marvelous things going. And you are certainly not alone in the thrill you get from it. I get a lot from your posts when you are talking about your experiences, and frankly, you are one of the folks who have convinced me to see value in X. I do not begrudge you your joy with the system, at all.

    [Bill Davis] “Probably just because I’m weird, tho.

    Weird? Hardly. Zealous? Gawd, yeah.

  • Jim Giberti

    June 14, 2012 at 2:15 am

    [Bill Davis] “While I fully appreciate your analogy – I think it’s based on a bit of a skewed premis.

    Who’da thought?

  • Chris Harlan

    June 14, 2012 at 2:37 am

    [Jim Giberti] “That’s a good time to have a sit down with your wife and not try back channel communication through her girl friends.

    THAT is funny!

  • Craig Seeman

    June 14, 2012 at 4:19 am

    [Jim Giberti] “Looking at the Pogue/Franz/Forbes/Cooke statements, clarifications, long term promises, I’m just suggesting there’s a bit of a better way to treat your venerable creative professional base.”

    The unnamed executive should have been willing to go on record and should have given Pogue a clear quote. At least Tim Cook jumped in within the day and straightened out. In the past it just would have spun wildly out of control.

  • Jim Wiseman

    June 14, 2012 at 5:06 am

    Phil Schiller at WWDC said that Lion has been adopted faster than any other OS upgrade by Apple or Microsoft. He quoted a figure of 40%. I personally am running boot drive with Snow Leopard 10.6.7, 10.6.8, and Lion 10.7.4 in my Mac Pro. Don’t know how he would count someone like me who is slowly moving into it. Premiere CS6 requires Lion for external AJA monitor support. I have to say I miss Rosetta.

    Jim Wiseman
    Sony PMW-EX1,Pana AJ-D810 DVCPro, DVX-100, Nikon D7000, Final Cut Studio 2 and 3, Media 100 Suite 2.1, Premiere Pro 5.5 and 6.0, AJA ioHD, AJA Kona LHi, Avid MC, Hexacore MacPro 3.33 Ghz 24Gb RAM GTX-285 120GB SSD, Macbook Pro 17″ 2011 2.2 Ghz Quadcore i7 8Gb SSD, G5 Quadcore PCIe

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