Mac Pro 2 Concept — (if only Apple cared about the Pro market)

[Bill Davis]

[andy patterson] ” Apple has no consideration for it’s customer. I feel the same way about Adobe’s CC paradigm. Apple and Adobe care about profits only. They do not care about making the best products possible for the end user.”

That’s right. Just look at how evil Apple is in forcing their customers to pay continuously to use the products they used to be able to BUY once and use forever. It’s disgraceful.

Wait….what?

; )

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[Bill Davis]

Isn’t the hope that the as the data pipes continue to get bigger – stuff like an array of GPUs can be moved OUT of the computer chassis where you can isolate the noise and heat to preserve a simple and quiet work environment?

I know I still have to use a separate audio recorder combined with switching to my iPad for script display when I’m doing voice work.

Having a single computer screen for script scrolling while simultaneously recording everthing into the editorial machine would be ideal – but because even my MacBook Pro’s modest fans will infect the audio track, I still have to basically work double system for VO recording.

I had hoped that the 12″ MacBook we picked up last year (fanless) would step up and fill this slot – but I haven’t found a way to successfully adapt the single USB Type C port on it to my current Zoom Tac-2 audio interface that requires Thunderbolt. I can adapt the ports easily enough – but it appears the lack of power transfer to the audio interface keeps it “dead” when connected. Bummer.

The dream of “a single system that does it all!” – remains tantalizingly out of reach for me.

FWIW

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[Andrew Richards]

TB3 is the best shot yet at a fully realized external GPU pipe, given its bandwidth capability. Indeed, even the PC gaming world is embracing the idea.

I just felt someone needed to speak up and point out that however tantalizing this artist’s rendering is, it has some rather gaping technical faults in the design that make it impractical to actually build. I mean, just add up all the PCI lanes required by this concept art and you can see that it runs on unicorns and fairy dust.

Best,
Andy

[Bill Davis]

[Andrew Richards] “you can see that it runs on unicorns and fairy dust.”

Shoot. I only have a license for unicorns and fairy dust LITE.

I’m screwed.

; )

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[Andy Patterson]

[Bill Davis] “[andy patterson] ” Apple has no consideration for it’s customer. I feel the same way about Adobe’s CC paradigm. Apple and Adobe care about profits only. They do not care about making the best products possible for the end user.”

That’s right. Just look at how evil Apple is in forcing their customers to pay continuously to use the products they used to be able to BUY once and use forever. It’s disgraceful.”

I stated Apple nor Adobe care about the customer. Did you read it wrong Bill? Because right now you are helping to prove my point. I don’t think renting from the CC is as beneficially for the customer when compared to the old CS paradigm. I know you like to mock all other companies except Apple but the bat shit crazy device below is the result of Apple not offering a work station for their customers who want it.

https://www.sonnettech.com/product/xmacproserver/index.html

[John Rofrano]

[andy patterson] “…the bat shit crazy device below is the result of Apple not offering a work station for their customers who want it. “

That actually looks like a practical device with one possible flaw. Hot air rises and the Mac Pro was designed to have the air flow in the same direction up and out of the case. I wonder if internal hot spots are formed within because the Mac Pro is mounted sideways? In an effort to also make their designs silent, I’m sure the fans spin just fast enough to aid the natural upward flow of heat which that design defeats.

Still I think it’s great that people who care about the Pro industry are coming up with ideas to make Apple’s products appeal to the Pro market even if Apple doesn’t seem to want to. The Game-Changing OWC DEC which claims to “Make MacBooks ‘Pro’ Again” is another great example. I would buy of of these in a heart-beat if I had a new 2016 MacBook Pro because to me, having the proper I/O always available is far more important than how thin my laptop is (which I could care less about).

Still would have been better if Apple left a USB and SD Card Reader port available on the device. I have a 2015 MacBook Pro and will probably keep it for a very, very, very long time because it has a USB and SD Card Reader port of which I use both daily. IMHO there is no need for a laptop to be any thinner. Seriously, have you ever heard one person complain that their MacBook Pro wasn’t thin enough? Does anyone sit at an Apple announcement event and the buzz around you is all about how people hope it will be thinner? NO! But everyone is complaining about loosing their i/o ports. It just boggles my mind. Why bother having a “Pro” line if you’re not going to design it for “Pro” use? Let the base MacBook be thin enough to disappear, who cares. Let the Pro line differentiate itself by actually having features that the Pro market cares about.

But as you all pointed out… Apple doesn’t design products for their customers; they design them for themselves and then try and convince customers that this is what they always wanted. Apple is in some kind of “thin is better” bubble that they just can’t get out of. (anyone have a pin that can burst it and free them?) lol

~jr

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[Andy Patterson]

[John Rofrano] ” [andy patterson] “…the bat shit crazy device below is the result of Apple not offering a work station for their customers who want it. ”

That actually looks like a practical device with one possible flaw. Hot air rises and the Mac Pro was designed to have the air flow in the same direction up and out of the case. I wonder if internal hot spots are formed within because the Mac Pro is mounted sideways? In an effort to also make their designs silent, I’m sure the fans spin just fast enough to aid the natural upward flow of heat which that design defeats.”

You are only saying it looks practical because Apple doesn’t offer a generic ATX based system. In fact you are actually helping to prove my point by asking if the Mac Pro would cool efficiently. It is as big as a mATX computer case. Why not just state the obvious and say it would be nice for Apple to offer a generic ATX rack mount computer? Why not just cut to the chase? You would get more PCIE lanes an more functionality. Why settle for that expensive piece of crap that tries to make the Mac Pro into a workstation? Once again that proves my point that Apple doesn’t care about the customer if you have to buy some expensive bat shit crazy 3rd party device to make the Mac Pro useable. I used to have a rackmount computer case. It was awesome at one time but for the set up I have now I don’t really need it. Compare the prices.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811148059

https://www.sonnettech.com/product/xmacproserver/index.html

[Bill Davis]

[andy patterson] “I know you like to mock all other companies except Apple but the bat shit crazy device below is the result of Apple not offering a work station for their customers who want it. “

A) please find a post of mine where I have mocked AVID or ADOBE or SONY or any other NLE vendor EVER.

Yes, I do call out some of their business and marketing decisions occasionally, cuz I have some expertise in that realm. But, I generally don’t comment on programs about which I am largely ignorant. Odd position, huh?

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[Andy Patterson]

[Bill Davis] “A) please find a post of mine where I have mocked AVID or ADOBE or SONY or any other NLE vendor EVER.”

You wrote the following below Bill.

“That’s right. Just look at how evil Apple is in forcing their customers to pay continuously to use the products they used to be able to BUY once and use forever. It’s disgraceful”.

Is that not mocking Adobe’s CC? I am not a fan of the CC myself so I don’t mind the comment.

[Bill Davis] “Yes, I do call out some of their business and marketing decisions occasionally, cuz I have some expertise in that realm. “

In another thread you asked about my credibility. Did you even bother to read my response?

https://forums.creativecow.net/thread/335/92829

Having said that we all have enough expertise to make comments about Adobe, Apple, Blackmagic, MS, Avid etc.

[Bill Davis] ” I generally don’t comment on programs about which I am largely ignorant. Odd position, huh?”

What you do a lot is talk about how great FCPX is and how advanced and innovative it is without realizing other software programs can do the same thing and sometimes did it long before FCPX. If you knew the full potential of the other software programs you probably wouldn’t be so giddy about FCPX. I guess what I am saying is you will do something in FCPX, you will think it is amazing and wonder why we don’t all go out and buy FCPX when the sad truth is the other NLE can do the same thing. Also if you kept current about technology you would know the full potential of the Surface Pro. Having said that FCPX is a good program but it could use improvements just like Avid, Edius, Premiere Pro etc.

[Bill Davis]

[andy patterson] “[Bill Davis] “A) please find a post of mine where I have mocked AVID or ADOBE or SONY or any other NLE vendor EVER.”

You wrote the following below Bill.

“That’s right. Just look at how evil Apple is in forcing their customers to pay continuously to use the products they used to be able to BUY once and use forever. It’s disgraceful”.

Is that not mocking Adobe’s CC? I am not a fan of the CC myself so I don’t mind the comment. “

It is not because everyone here knows I do my best NEVER to negatively comment on software I don’t actually have direct experience with. the business model, however IS fair game. I dislike that and everyone here knows it. Perhaps you’re just too new in these parts to understand the context?

As to your second point, please explain what exactly does one of Scott’s posts linking one of my friend Olivers articals have to do with you?

And finally.
Cool, your position is that the other programs are advanced in ways I just don’t understand.
Convince me. Give me your top three capabilities that another software package can do that X can’t? I’d cite Range based tagging, the magnetic timeline, and Roles as innovations singular to X – so help me understand about the equivelents or similar unique features in the other NLEs.

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