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  • LTO6 Budget Solutions

     John Heagy updated 7 years, 10 months ago 6 Members · 15 Posts
  • Scott Goddard

    March 6, 2013 at 5:03 pm

    As LTO6 is now shipping I am looking to round up a few solutions to fit different (mostly low) budgets.

    These would be mainly single desktop drive with a SAS controller (PCI) Mac based setup.

    My question is are there any reasonable integrations into CatDV to enable the archiving through CatDV alone?

    The budget range is around $3K for a drive, SAS card, and the software to manage the tape.

    I guess we are ruling out LTFS solutions because they are not ideal for archiving or perhaps this consensus has now changed?

  • Tim Jones

    March 6, 2013 at 5:59 pm

    LTO-6 is ONLY available in SAS or Fibre Channel
    The Only SAS HBAs that work properly with tape on the Mac platform are ATTO ExpressSAS HBAs
    The ATTO ExpressSAS HBAs are only available as PCIe cards, so only Intel Mac Pro or the very last G5 Power Macs will work.

    $3K won’t even get you a bare drive from a manufacturer.

    To get a full blown, standalone LTO-6 solution, expect to spend a minimum of around $4,800. LTO-5 is around $3,990.

    As for currently available non-server tape solutions for CatDV Desktop, nothing’s there “yet” … watch this space.

    Tim

    Tim Jones
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    https://www.productionbackup.com
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  • Scott Goddard

    March 6, 2013 at 6:10 pm

    Hit the $ key instead of the £.. But yes around $5K is what I am looking at. BRU seems to be the most cost effective at the moment.

    Is there any preference over LTO drives amongst Mac Users? HP seem to be popular. Anyone with experience of Overland?

  • Tim Jones

    March 6, 2013 at 6:17 pm

    Keep in mind that Overland do not support the Mac platform directly. Right now, HP, Tandberg Data, and our bundles are the only places that you will see proper Mac support if you need help.

    Tim

    Tim Jones
    CTO – TOLIS Group, Inc.
    https://www.productionbackup.com
    BRU … because it’s the RESTORE that matters!

  • Scott Goddard

    March 6, 2013 at 6:56 pm

    That’s good to know, thanks

  • Pat Horridge

    March 7, 2013 at 10:10 am

    If budget is tight I’d go LTO-5, we did, with a storagedna system. And we went the LTFS route to help longevity rather than propriety software like BRU
    At least with an LTFS tape all I need is the drive and a driver for the OS and I can read the tape like a drive. I can catalogue it and restore files easily.
    Buck per TB the LTO -5 prices worked out best and even the tapes are better value.
    And at 1.5 – 3 TB its just right for drive copies.

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  • Scott Goddard

    March 7, 2013 at 10:22 am

    Is the storage DNA system integrated with CatDV? I believe their system requires the worker node to assist in the integration?

    How does everyone else feel about LTFS? I have read lots of arguments against using it as an archive system.

  • Pat Horridge

    March 7, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    We’re looking at CATDV integration via the worker node as an option but the StorageDNA setup comes with it’s own server and web based job management and “miniMAM” solution as well and that’s really quite nice and simple.
    Curretnly the only true way to “Archive” (which needs to have an expected life of 100 years and be simple to retrieve duringt hat time) is printing back to film and I don’t imagine many have that sort of budget.
    So LTO isn’t an Archive solution by that definition.
    30 year life stated for the actual tapes (but most likley longer than that) And with a 2 version backwards read compatability our LTO-5 tapes will be good till LTO-7 which is on the development road track. Obviously LTO-6 buys you possible a few more years of player support.

    We spent a lot of time looking at options and the technologies and a lot of players have vested interests in pushing their solutions and will of course work hard to find issues with alternative solutions. So finding a balanced view is near impossible.
    We made the choice on LTFS based on it being a simple implementation and not being tied to a specific piece of software that would need to still be around in the future and need that OS available.
    If LTFS gets included in future OS’s in the future then it’s even easier.
    Teh really neat thing with LTFS is with the tape mounted I can browse to the StorageDNA server and actually read the tape in a shared folder.

  • Scott Goddard

    March 7, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    The more I look into the more appealing the CacheA solution is especially considering it’s integration with CatDV.

  • Mark Raudonis

    March 7, 2013 at 2:55 pm

    I’ll add another positive vote for “Storage DNA”.

    https://storagedna.com/

    We’ve had our system in place for over a year now and it’s been a savior in many ways. Only issue we’ve had is when some of our file names were, uh, unusual! I learned that some of our assistants were actually copying and pasting the URL for various stills into the filename!!! This created havoc. Solution. Don’t do that! Obviously, there are certain characters that are NOT COOL in a file name string. Other than that, I love the abilibity to search the archive and selectively recall a specific file, not the entire tape.

    Storage DNA has some interesting synergy with AVID as well if that’s your NLE of choice.

    mark

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