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  • Lower field/ upper field/ VS render settings VS Project settings – My eyes are crossed

    Posted by James Souter on September 24, 2008 at 1:09 am

    Hi Guys

    Does anyone know of somewhere I can read about the differences between vegas timeline properties VS render settings and speciclly in the space of interlacing?

    I am using an HD timeline at 1080-50i (Pal) with AVCHD Pal Footage. I am using Gearshift to work with my footage.

    I am ready to render to 1) DVD 2) High quality media file for play using computer

    1) When I export to avi using the PAL DV Widescreen template is get extreme interlacing with the footage looking all ‘wavey’

    2) What is a good format for a high quality (720p) computer only file around 5 gig in size (single layer DVD). I was thinking H.264 as I have downlaoded several files with this compression before that are 720p and around the same size. Does anyone know what settings to use for this? Also accounting for the interlace problem?

    Fotis Vassis replied 17 years, 7 months ago 4 Members · 7 Replies
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  • Steve Rhoden

    September 24, 2008 at 9:08 am

    I have always recommended that to achieve proper de-interlacing
    results, a de-interlacing filter or software must be used.
    Setting the various properties in vegas cannot achieve the
    proper de-interlacing results one is looking for.

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  • James Souter

    September 24, 2008 at 11:02 am

    Right, well is there anything you can recommend? Also I should mention that I am using PAL 50i footage. I am interested in looking into any filter and software options you can recommend, or if anybody has any satisfactory Vegas settings for 50i footage.

  • Steve Rhoden

    September 24, 2008 at 12:04 pm

    A decent free de-interlacing plugin i normally recommend name
    “smart deinterlace” can be found here:
    https://www.mikecrash.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=13

    But for serious professional output i personally always use
    DVFilm Maker : https://dvfilm.com/maker/index.htm

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    Creative Director
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  • Bill Ravens

    September 24, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    Since I’m not in PAL land, I admit to some ignorance. Nevertheless, as I recall, PAL DV interlacing is upper field first. Vegas defaults to lower field first for DV, so, something to check for. If you get the field order inverted, interlaced artifacts will be pretty bad.

  • Fotis Vassis

    September 25, 2008 at 5:59 pm

    I think the problem is simple. HDV 1080-50i is upper field first and you select to render to PAL DV which is lower field first. The render template of PAL DV in Vegas is right (if your video was coming from a common DV camera), but since your footage is upper field you should make a copy of the PAL DV Widescreen template but select the field to be upper and save this template as “PAL DV Wide uff”. Now render with this and please tell us your results.


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  • James Souter

    September 27, 2008 at 4:59 am

    Fotis, excellent advice.

    I tested these settings today and the result is great. The interlacing is barely apparent, unlike previous tests where the interlace artefacts were massive. The render is also significantly faster as no de-interlacing is taking place. That template results in a large file however, around about 200meg for each minute of video. Is there another format I could render in for HD delivery. I have approx 40 mins of footage and am happy to fill up a 8.5 gig DVD with one video file. The render you have recommended above actually fits this criteria, but I know in future that the videos could be longer, up to 90 mins so I want to know if there is a better compression codec and what template to use.

    I have used the MainConcept MP4 template with some success already, I believe this is H.264, which is one of the better delivery codecs if I am correct.

  • Fotis Vassis

    September 27, 2008 at 12:59 pm

    Well, are you using HDV (mpeg2) or AVCHD camcorder? You can try adjusting the bitrate encoding to suit your destination disc
    You can fit 40 minutes HD on DVD DL but eventually you can not avoid buying Blu Ray discs in future.
    You can also try my encoding calculator to see at what bitrate you should encode to fit discs. Just enter the correct value of your video length in the field “Audio Minutes” (since both video and audio are the same length)
    https://www.interchefs.com/club/EncodingCalculator.xls


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