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  • Low barrier of entry

    Posted by Bruce Frankel on March 17, 2009 at 11:19 pm

    It is a fact of life in the video biz these days: the barrier to getting in is low, so the number of people getting in is large. The law of supply and demand says an oversupply of a product or services will lower the price. When I started in the editing business, an Avid Media Composer was nearly $100,000 per system. I bought three. Not too many people were willing to open a shop and take on that kind of debt unless they had a solid client base and talent.

    Now, you can get in for less than $10,000 and have a pretty good set up for a single editing station. My clients bought FCP and Avids and hired college kids to run the gear. The quality is pretty good, not great, the creativity is passable, but the price makes everything look better ;-). When they need to be assured of a quality job, they call me, but my business has gone to…well, doo doo. I cannot compete with free or nearly free. I find people want me to work for half the fee they’d pay a plumber! I refuse to go there. I lose a lot of work. Anybody have similar stories? What have you done to promote higher fees in a saturated market?

    Tracy Peterson replied 17 years, 1 month ago 8 Members · 11 Replies
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  • Craig Seeman

    March 18, 2009 at 12:46 am

    Personally I don’t find the low cost of entry the problem. It means I run a business profitably with much lower overhead.

    You have to sell something different. It may be skills, it may be experience. You’ll have to explain the value of either to your potential client. Skills “might” be obvious in your demo reel. Experience is something you need to explain. Experience means one has the ability to trouble shoot and deliver. It’s like an insurance policy for the client’s benefit. The cost of a failed project, no return on investment, etc. is far greater than paying more for someone who knows how to deliver a project which, ultimately, will yield greater value (greater potential profit) for your client.

    What makes you a better bargain than the person working nearly free? Sell that!
    They may be able to “push buttons” but you’re offering the ability to solve problems, fulfill needs, grow your client’s bottom line.

  • Bruce Frankel

    March 18, 2009 at 3:01 am

    I mostly agree with you. For the most part, more sophisticated clients understand the importance of hiring experienced people. However, these are abnormal times we live in. Budgets are cut and it is very tempting for smaller corporate clients to go for price over talent and experience.

    I recently lost a job that was bid out to me and four other companies. The client went with a company that was 80 percent less (tens of thousands of dollars) than my bid and I thought I was too low to make a decent profit! I called the gentleman who requested the bid and asked him if he thought there was something odd in the vast price difference. He just grunted and said he liked the low-bidder’s reel. This video job was meant to attract Fortune 500 companies to a suburban office center. The low bidder’s reel was all wedding and event work, no corporate or commercial work whatsoever! I just shook my head and moved on. Price won out over suitability. Too many people willing to work cheap. Too many inexperienced people in decision-making roles.

  • John Grote, jr.

    March 18, 2009 at 10:38 am

    Good day Bruce,

    What you are saying is quite prevalent in todays market. A couple years ago I had an interview at a company that was doing things for HGTV and they were a little taken a back when I gave them my day rate. I explained to them that since they were looking for an Online editor to finish the show (Scopes, levels and even final audio mix), they could hire me or someone like me that has that skill set and get it right the first time. Or you could hire someone cheaper that has no idea what a waveform or vector scope is an have the show rejected, in which case you’d be calling me and paying double for you effort and also missing your air date.

    I keep saying this, some of the clients want the easy button, because what a professional does, makes it look easy. But they don’t understand why they are paying you to watch a blue bar go across the screen (render time) for the 10th time. But oh, they wanted to make the font different 8 times and wind up back with the original font to begin with and twice for changing the color. Because as we well know, a majority of them have art degrees and marketing degrees too. I’m not saying that they shouldn’t have input, hell they are the client and they are paying for it, but don’t bust my ball, because it is taking so long. So, back to the easy button. It magically changes and renders it all in a instant.

    I have a small but loyal client base today. I have each of them setup with their own FCP suites that meet their needs. Once in a while one of them, will hire someone to do something down and dirty, but as per usual I have to come in a clean it up.

    To answer your question, I have over the years expanded my skill set from an Online/Offline linear editor (CMX & Grass Valley) to AVID (starting way back with the Optical disks) to AVID Symphony Nitris, to Final Cut Pro (since version 1), along the way Cleaner, DVD Studio, Photoshop and After Effects. A long list, but I always seem to add to it.

    In the end, there will always be price shoppers, who don’t have a clue or for that matter know any better and then there are clients that do know better, especially when their show is going to air on PBS that will pay (a reasonable rate) because they do care and want the best product possible.

    Think about this, do we go into the doctor’s office and tell him to drop his rates or better yet tell him that he is not preforming the exam correctly?

    Cheers,

    John

    J. Grote, Jr.

  • Stephen Smith

    March 18, 2009 at 4:22 pm

    [Bruce] my business has gone to…well, doo doo. I cannot compete with free or nearly free.

    The person doing the job for free or nearly free can’t continue to do the job at that price forever. Some use it as a way to gain a client or break into the bizz. What I’m getting at is this, some people that where in this industry last year probably won’t be by the end of this one. When a business such as yours, that has been around for a long time and has a big client base starts to hurt, it hurts even more for the person starting out with a very small client base.
    Bad economic times helps get rid of companies that provide a bad product.

    Salt Lake Video

    Check out my DVD Money Making Graphics & Effects for Final Cut Studio 2

  • Craig Seeman

    March 18, 2009 at 4:40 pm

    One thing we have to contend with is there are people who undervalue themselves. They will inevitably go under with an unsustainable business model but unfortunately that supply is constantly replenished. As long as that’s the case, businesses will find “bargains.”

    It’s worth competing against that. One thing we have over that is experience and one has to know how to sell that.

    Another observation just by being here on the COW is the large number of people who don’t have experience, dig themselves in over their heads, and then come here for help. People promise what they can’t deliver, or discover they can’t deliver unfortunately.

    Keep in mind this all cuts both ways. While anyone can put together a cheap production/post production facility for less then it costs to buy a car it also means those of us with experience can also charge lower rates and still make a profit.

    The real issue is learning how to sell value and return on investment to potential customers against those who are primarily selling price.

  • Andy Stinton

    March 18, 2009 at 6:12 pm

    Another point of view is that many production houses have not lowered their prices. A young person living at home with a $300.00 a month lease on a FCP set up and camera can do a job for a lot less. Now we always have the skill and talent level to contend with.That’s a different issue. Having said that I have seen some work from college students that blow mucho expensive production house out of the water.

    Perhaps some of companies have not adjusted to the new reality.

    Andy Stinton
    Corporate Video
    Live & Stage Events
    Business Practices

  • Craig Seeman

    March 18, 2009 at 6:35 pm

    [Andy Stinton] “A young person living at home with a $300.00 a month lease on a FCP set up and camera can do a job for a lot less.”

    Which leads to an important business lesson. One may be able to cut overhead and price to maintain profit margin rather than simply cutting price.

    It really depends on your client base and their expectations.

    If the clients are more concerned with price then maybe you don’t need that fancy office and all its expenses and the volume of work to maintain those expenses.

    If the client prefers the professional office then they’ll pay for that instead of the kid working at home.

  • Stephen Smith

    March 18, 2009 at 9:01 pm
  • Tim Kolb

    March 18, 2009 at 10:37 pm

    I think that a prominent point here is that not every client is a good fit for each of us.

    If someone is looking for basic transportation, how in the world could you make the case for a Mercedes over a Hyundai to this person? You can’t.

    You have to find buyers who value what you’re selling whether it’s leather seats and a quiet ride or expert, skillful post production.

    TimK,
    Director, Consultant
    Kolb Productions,

  • Bill Dewald

    March 19, 2009 at 11:28 pm

    [Stephen Smith] “The person doing the job for free or nearly free can’t continue to do the job at that price forever.”

    Maybe not, but when he quits, there’s another one ready to take over.

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