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Long time editor’s frustration with FCPX
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[Robin S. Kurz] ” I haven’t used the most recent versions of PPro very much, but if nothing has changed, then I don’t see how you could unclutter IT anywhere near as much as this. But I could be wrong.”
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[Steve Connor]….”
Well then, there you go. So then I guess I don’t know what we’re talking about. Merely the fact that being able to undock and randomly shuffle things around at will being a supposed “advantage”? The one with the most tabs and windows wins? Well, I don’t see it that way. At least certainly not in the context of the FCP X interface. Though I would move the scopes out of the canvas window, as I’ve said before, but that’s pretty much it. I find the whole personalization thing highly overrated (and often a tedious pain when its not solely your editing station), which was ever so true with e.g. FCP 7, but to each his own.
– RK
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[Jeremy Garchow] “I hear what you’re saying, David (and Andy) but I think that Project deserves the term. It is much more than a sequence of events (heh heh).
I hope to have some screen grabs on Monday, if not Monday it’ll have to be the week after, but I’ll show you what I mean. I will come back to this as I think there are “important” distinctions to make, and Apple choosing to name a sequence a Project isn’t a folly or blunder, but It is best to approach this notion with an open mind, and buck convention. This is not to say that you, personally, aren’t open minded. I get the sense that you are. It took me a long time to reach this conclusion, even after using X for a couple of years professionally. It really started once the Library system was in place.”
Thanks Jeremy, really curious about your thoughts. Looking forward! 🙂
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[Robin S. Kurz] “The one with the most tabs and windows wins? Well, I don’t see it that way. At least certainly not in the context of the FCP X interface. Though I would move the scopes out of the canvas window, as I’ve said before, but that’s pretty much it. I find the whole personalization thing highly overrated (and often a tedious pain when its not solely your editing station), which was ever so true with e.g. FCP 7, but to each his own.
“The ability to save your own workspaces makes multi-user easier and more options surely have to be better than less options.
But as you say each to his own
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[Robin S. Kurz] “Merely the fact that being able to undock and randomly shuffle things around at will being a supposed “advantage”?”
The question was whether PProCC could be uncluttered. And yes it can. This is an advantage because the UI can be considerably customized in ways that FCP 7 would let you do, but FCP X does not let you.
[Robin S. Kurz] “I find the whole personalization thing highly overrated (and often a tedious pain when its not solely your editing station)”
And others find it critical to their use of a software application. Custom layouts can be saved and different users can have different configurations. Many find this to be an advantage. Personalization of the UI comes up pretty high on most FCP X user wish lists.
– Oliver
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[David Berez] “That’s it. Apologies for using the inflammatory “Fisher Price” metaphor.”
Yes, that was what did it!
Seriously though you are not alone in your reaction to the ‘look’ of the interface which whilst there have been a few cosmetic changes has not altered since FCPX launched all those years ago. My initial reaction was not good ( yes it did look like an expanded version of iMovie ) but like you I’ve learnt to really appreciate this NLE app.
Just re-read some of the ‘vintage’ comments on this forum.
[David Berez] “And its not about its capabilities . . not at all. Some elements of the software are just so damn elegant. I’m almost an FCPX evangelist, the way Apple has reimagined the timeline after all these years is groundbreaking but I am so ready to leave because of the crappy, two bit interface. I drool with envy when looking at Resolve 12 and I hope it lives up to its hype. I need my dignity back.”
. . . . And who doesn’t appreciate a nice bit of irony
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On second thoughts ..forget it.
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[David Berez] “In a world . . . (trailer music please) where the editing profession has become significantly devalued . . . FCPX reinforces the feeling that “editing” is less a craft and more of a commodity.
“So essentially, this is a plea to keep the barriers to creative tool access artificially high so as to restrain competition amongst the existing priesthood?
Good luck with that.
That Jeff Goldblum line in the original Jurassic Park about “life finding a way” comes to mind. Creativity finds a way too.
I was just cutting down the FCPWorks session by the young guys who are in post on the 6k Indy feature “Suburban Cowboy” and one of the two Co-directors, Dragon, is a highly sought after and well known EDM DJ. He’s all about sound and LOGIC. But he also wanted to explore filmmaking. So X allows him to do just that. And from what I saw, pretty darn well.
THIS is our competition now. Not somebody in a room where you bring your outside world expertise and have to exclusively rely on a priest in the special chair to allow you access to the tools of the trade (In 1/4 hour increments) but young guys who’ve happily learned to speak metadata and looks as their native language – even tho they skipped over sync pops and OMF because those are largely irrelevant to them – What isn’t is their understanding how to get greenlit because they have their fingers on the pulse of interesting content.
It’s been inevitable that after a decade of the tools percolating down, the 30 somethings of today just don’t see the industry the way we did 30 years ago.
And my 2 cents worth is that over the course of history, “protectionism” is just about the WORST way to keep any industry from evolving. And everything stripped away – while I seriously doubt that’s at all what you’re thinking about, David, it’s kinda the inevitable result of what’s being argued for here.
Keep it complex. Because that will keep the riff raff out. Except that it won’t.
It never has. And often the “riff raff” are exactly the guys who drive past the existing goalposts.
FWIW.
Know someone who teaches video editing in elementary school, high school or college? Tell them to check out http://www.StartEditingNow.com – video editing curriculum complete with licensed practice content.
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[David Berez] “It’s difficult to explain exactly what it is . . but for a company (Apple) that is so utterly attuned to how software and hardware makes you “feel” there is something off the mark in its interface for this professional editor. “
It’s not about how the user wants to feel though, it’s about how Apple wants the user to feel. X is Apple’s vision of a professional-grade NLE just as the nMP is Apple’s vision of a professional-grade tower. Generally speaking, Apple doesn’t go to users, users go to Apple (and obviously this has worked out well for them).
I didn’t totally understand Apple’s philosophy until I read the Jobs’ biography. To Jobs, Apple’s products, on a basic level, are no different than a finished book, song or piece of art. The end user gets to appreciate it, not modify it. Since the days of the Apple 1 Jobs hated giving users the option to mess with what he perceived as his art, his vision. He wanted to release computing appliances that people used, but didn’t muck around with. He always had to make concessions though given the reality of the marketplace (and technology). His first true taste of a computing appliance was with the iPhone but, it’s also echoed in the iMac, the nMP and, especially, the new MacBook.
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[Andrew Kimery] “To Jobs, Apple’s products, on a basic level, are no different than a finished book, song or piece of art. The end user gets to appreciate it, not modify it. Since the days of the Apple 1 Jobs hated giving users the option to mess with what he perceived as his art, his vision. He wanted to release computing appliances that people used, but didn’t muck around with.”
That was the inherent philosophical difference between Jobs and Wozniak.
– Oliver
Oliver Peters Post Production Services, LLC
Orlando, FL
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