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  • LOL – Has anyone noticed that Broadcast Safe doesn’t work?

    Posted by Kevin P mcauliffe on July 11, 2011 at 1:23 pm

    Hey Community,

    Doing some work for my upcoming webinar (shameless plug) over at Film Making Webinars, and was setting up some color correction effects, and figured, since I do CC on an hourly basis, I would check out the very cool waveform monitor to check my levels. Since I’ve crushed the blacks in my shot (below 0), I figured I’d throw the Broadcast Safe effect on to crop things off at 0, and to my surprise (not), It did absolutely nothing.

    The other funny thing is that I figured “O.K., since I have the exposure now set the way I want, (H,M,S), I’ll just adjust the “Global” slider to bring everything up universally to keep the same look, just within proper safes”. No luck there either.

    Thought I’d throw this out there for everyone as an FYI. Thanks.

    Kevin P McAuliffe
    Creative COW Trainer
    kevinpmcauliffe@gmail.com
    Twitter: @kpmcauliffe

    Patrice Freymond replied 13 years ago 7 Members · 15 Replies
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  • Nick Toth

    July 11, 2011 at 1:34 pm

    Kevin – broadcast safe works for me in clipping overs to 100% according to the scopes.

    I agree about that global controls. There’s probably a way to do it that would involve Motion.

    NT

  • Nick Toth

    July 11, 2011 at 1:36 pm

    Just re-read your post. Looks like it only works on highlights and saturation.

    NT

  • Tapio Haaja

    July 11, 2011 at 1:43 pm

    Hi Kevin,

    broadcast safe works. It’s just everything is processed from top to bottom in video. So effects (such as broadcast safe) comes before color correction, transfrom etc.. Stupid I know. So in order to get broadcast safe work with color board you have to put clips inside compound clip and put broadcast safe effect to it or use “adjustment layer” and add effect to it. I prefer adjustment layer way (I wrote just about this problem in my blog – https://avseikkailuja.blogspot.com/2011/07/use-titles-as-adjustment-layers-in.html).

    Best
    Tapio Haaja

  • Tapio Haaja

    July 11, 2011 at 1:45 pm
  • Kevin P mcauliffe

    July 11, 2011 at 1:57 pm

    Hey Nick,

    I’m assuming that you’re talking about applying the effect to footage that you shot, and not footage that you’ve done color correction on, which makes the effect completely pointless.

    Kevin P McAuliffe
    Creative COW Trainer
    kevinpmcauliffe@gmail.com
    Twitter: @kpmcauliffe

  • Robbert-jan Van der does

    July 11, 2011 at 4:05 pm

    Hi Kevin,

    It seems to me that the scopes show much more than is at the output to the screen.
    I ran some tests with a grayscale.
    First I made a FCPX effect in Motion 5 with only the levels effect applied.
    Then I took a grayscale image which I made in Photoshop with 11 gray bars in 10% increments from black to white.
    I put this grayscale image in the timeline and I placed a duplicate as a connected clip above.
    I cropped the upper clip so that it covered the bottom 3rd of the underlying clip and I applied the self-made levels effect to it. On the lower clip I applied the built in color correction and later on also the broadcast safe filter.
    Here are the results (written in blue underneath the images):

    Unfortunately we cannot yet hook up an external scope to check the output, because it is an odd behaviour.
    If you want to test some for yourself, here is the grayscale image I used: grayscale.png

    Kind regards,

    Robbert-Jan van der Does
    lighting cameraman/steadicam operator/editor

    WISIWYG (What I See Is What You Get)

  • Tapio Haaja

    July 11, 2011 at 4:32 pm

    Yeah scopres show you super white (>100 IRE) and super black (<0 IRE) which are not outputted to screen because 100 IRE is mapped to 255,255,255 RGB and 0 IRE is mapped to 0,0,0 RGB but it’s great FCPX can process those “over limit colors” much better than FCP7. Actually FCP7 didn’t even have support to super blacks and only few filters worked correctly with super whites.

    Tapio Haaja

  • Tapio Haaja

    July 11, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    When proper SDI output becomes available then we are able to see super whites and blacks with broadcast monitors but currently with computer monitor it’s impossible. Of course we should avoid “super colors” anyway in the end but it’s great FCPX gives you that headroom while processing pictures.

  • Mitch Ives

    July 11, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    [Tapio Haaja] “When proper SDI output becomes available then we are able to see super whites and blacks with broadcast monitors but currently with computer monitor it’s impossible. Of course we should avoid “super colors” anyway in the end but it’s great FCPX gives you that headroom while processing pictures.”

    According to the release by Matrox and followed up by Phil Hodgetts, we are NOT going to get any output, as it isn’t possible in FCPX.

    Mitch Ives
    Insight Productions Corp.
    mitch@insightproductions.com
    http://www.insightproductions.com

  • Tapio Haaja

    July 11, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    Yep at the moment it’s not possible because FCPX is using AV Foundation instead of Quicktime and there’s no even official way for 3rd party developers access AV Foundation in Snow Leopard because those are private APIs. Wait till Lion and couple FCPX upgrades. It will come in 2-6 months. I’m 100% sure.

    Best
    Tapio Haaja

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