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Lightworks coming to the Mac
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[David Lawrence] “Nonsense. Using this logic, every button in a computer UI would be a skeumorph as well because clicking on them mimics pressing physical buttons. Oliver’s right.”
A keyboard is not mimicking a real life interface.
Jkl does not mimick the front of a VTR, for example.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “Jkl does not mimick the front of a VTR, for example.”
Sure it does. {{ { || } }}
Having it on a computer gives it magic powers that aren’t possible in the physical world. That’s why skeumorphism is lame. There’s zero UI need to mimic the physical appearance of the physical materials of the real world objects.
Skeumorphism is gratuitous mimicry of physical material design, not functionality.
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[David Lawrence] “Sure it does. {{ { || } }}
Having it on a computer gives it magic powers that aren’t possible in the physical world. That’s why skeumorphism is lame. There’s zero UI need to mimic the physical appearance of the physical materials of the real world objects.
Skeumorphism is gratuitous mimicry of physical material design, not functionality.”
So we can finally agree that tracks and all that come with it aren’t necessarily necessary and there could be better ways of working and presenting multichannel audio?
Sweet. I feel like we are really getting somewhere!
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[Jeremy Garchow] “An audio mixer in an NLE is skeumorphism, and it follows a real world track based metaphor and history.”
Sorry, I disagree.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “So we can finally agree that tracks and all that come with it aren’t necessarily necessary and there could be better ways of working and presenting multichannel audio?”
Nope! 😛
Tracks in a DAW or NLE UI have nothing to do with their physical counterparts.
Why isn’t Apple using the magnetic timeline in Logic X?
If there are better ways of representing multichannel audio in a 2D graphic UI, how come after 20+ years there still aren’t any examples? Maybe you could show me one.
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[Jeremy Garchow] “A touch based analog mixer in a digital space, at least in my opinion, is skeumorphed, as much as it hurts.”
I think you’re confused about the meaning of skeumorphism in a digital graphic UI. Let me help:
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Jeremy, skeumorphism is a particular design concept, not a physical law that underpins nature. You are trying to extend the concept beyond its rather artificial bounds, in a way that is just not useful and dilutes the term. All GUI skeumorphic design is representational, not all GUI representations are skeumorphic. Just because the FCP mixer has the layout that resembles the layout of a physical mixer does not make it skeumorphic. I suppose there is a tiny bit of room to argue about whether faders technically might fall into a skeumorphic concept, but since they provide an actual function in one of the most precise visual ways possible–dial, slider or numeric entry are really about all you can do to make this function happen–I would argue vehemently that it is not. There are many metaphors used in computer software. A file system with folders would be one. Those metaphors get extended visually so that in OS X, for instance, a folder is represented as a blue manila folder. Is that skeumorphism? I would say not. Does this visual metaphor have some ideas in common with skeumorphism? Yes. Is there a solid line where one becomes the other? Probably not. Again, it is an artificial design concept.
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[David Lawrence] “I think you’re confused about the meaning of skeumorphism in a digital graphic UI. Let me help:
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That big red button just makes you want to press it! Perhaps skeumorphism isn’t so bad after all
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We will agree to disagree.
It is convenient to say what is skeumorphism and what isn’t depending on what someone may find useful.
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There is the dictionary, of course. 😉
https://dictionary.reference.com/browse/skeuomorph
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