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Larry Jordan speaks about FCPX
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DRW: Because I was at the LAFCPUG meeting just last night as a “guest guru,”
Then I’m going to defer to your insider knowledge.
Though I have to say I don’t understand, and the clip of Phil’s you link to is a case in point, why we are meant to be getting excited all over again by features that have already been in iMovie for quite a while?
In fact, it’s very little exaggeration to say that everything mentioned in that clip is already there in iMovie and appears to work in exactly the same way. The metadata implementation and the Event library structure appear to me to be in all practical senses identical, not merely similar or related. The title tool, transition, effects and generator menus all appear identical (which is not to say they mightn’t differ in some particulars in the final product. Stabilization and shot content detection are also right there in iMovie on import as well as post-import (though not color balancing.) Not to mention the famous Magnetic timeline and the Precision Editor … All great stuff!
Don’t get me wrong, I think iMovie is great and welcome seeing it as the basis for the new FCP – it could well be the new paradigm we’re all hoping for. But let’s just acknowledge for one second that that is indeed what we’re talking about, not some unimaginably new creation. For goodness sake iMovie’s been around for enough years in its current form!
Unless of course you are party to secrets that radically change this picture …
By all means, let’s get excited about FCPX, but why do we have to pretend that it’s appeared ex nihilo, like Athena emerging from the head of Zeus?
Simon Ubsdell
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And, as he always has to date in my admittedly meager experience, Larry once again keeps a cool head, stays with a topic, weighs the data and readjusts his thinking and his public stance when presented with new evidence or gets a new answer to a question. I often suspect Larry may be the all-too-rare type of guy who wonders why more people aren’t like that.
Was good to see you out in public playing Guru at LAFCPUG last night, David. Michael Horton indicated it was a first for you. I hope it won’t be a last. Had I not been in a hurry to get back to OC and bed (There doesn’t seem to be much of an OCFCPUG to speak of. Besides, how would you pronounce it; “Ock-Fussy-Pug”? “Ock-Fick-Pug”?), I’d have stayed and said hello. I hope you’ll come back and sit in again.
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[Simon Ubsdell] “iMovie is great and welcome seeing it as the basis for the new FCP – it could well be the new paradigm we’re all hoping for. But let’s just acknowledge for one second that that is indeed what we’re talking about, not some unimaginably new creation.”
Hi
You’re missing the elephant in the room:
the replacement of i) QuickTime (including QT X) with AV Foundation, and
ii) the old XML Project format.The only version of iMovie remotely similar (beyond the GUI) is the iPad version of iMovie.
And nothing hitherto in the video world has relied on CoreData for its database engine – or handled metadata in such a powerful way.Philip Hodgetts has spent many many months explaining that this isn’t ‘unimaginable’ because quite a lot of the detail is already out there 🙂
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[Paul Dickin] “You’re missing the elephant in the room”
No, absolutely, I take your point and that’s deeply important (though I’m not sure quite what you point is about XML as with the best will in the world surely there are one or two unresolved question marks there?). But my point is that I’m a bit over having people painstakingly talk me through features that are meant to be brand new and invented just for FCPX and indicators of the radical new editing paradigm – but have been around for quite a while for all the world to see.
Even Phil, enormously though I respect him, does the exact same thing in the clip that David linked to. And even more to the point, we had Randy himself do it back in April! What’s the story there?
Simon Ubsdell
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[Simon Ubsdell] “What’s the story there?”
Hi
The story – as Randy showed it – is that some of the concepts in FCP X’s GUI, and some of the basic functionality, has been tried and tested (in iMovie as it happens) – but it goes far far beyond that…The story as Phil tells it is that now all this preliminary work is coming to fruition in a new application built on a new ‘engine’ which will be radically different from what we have known so far, and will have huge potential for the future.
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[Paul Dickin] “some of the concepts in FCP X’s GUI, and some of the basic functionality”
I’d have to question the use of the word “some” there. Putting the issues of the new engine aside, as an editing tool FCPX shares more than “some” of the features of iMovie, and there really doesn’t seem to be any argument about that if you look at the details (see my response to DRW above).
I sense a real anxiety among the fraternity in coming to terms with this. Why is that? I really don’t see it as anything to be worried about!
There’s a lot of big talk about welcoming the new paradigm but underlying that is a desperate hope that it’s not actually going to look like it appears to look (not like iMovie, perish the thought) but rather much more like the good old familiar editing paradigm we’ve become used to (of course, there’ll still be 3-point editing) where the Magnetic timeline can remain a bad dream of what the future might have looked like because we’ll be able to switch it off and forget it ever existed.
Simon Ubsdell
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[David Roth Weiss] “Clayton,
From my perch at the top of this forum I see everything that comes across this board, and I can easily spot “Chicken Little syndrome,” i.e. a completely speculative, constant, and very negative series of posts, which I believe is caused by the pent-up, pre-release frustration and anxiety brought about by Apple’s blackout on reliable information.
You are the just latest, and you’re entirely welcome to say whatever you wish, and to post any point of view you desire, but don’t expect that an “open mic” means no heckling from the audience.
Many before you have vented their frustration and then become quite calm after myself and others give them shit. It seems to be good therapy and I hope it works for you as well. :)”
David,
You clearly have mistaken me for someone else.
As a moderator for the last couple of years over at another well known site in the image-making industry I am quite capable of making the distinction between a troll and a participating member’s viewpoint.
At no point have I said that the sky was falling. Nor am I chicken little. Even if you assumed that I would naturally go in that direction.
I do not feel any particular anxiety, stress or “pent-up frustration” around this whole story. I am merely a contributing member of this forum, like so many others here. I do not “give other people shit”, try to consider their viewpoint in a non-judgemental way and ask for the same respect in return.
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[Brian Wells] “Michael Horton indicated it was a first for you. I hope it won’t be a last. “
Thanks for the acknowledgment Brian. I’m sorry I didn’t get to meet you. I had a great time last night, and yes it was my first-ever live guru gig. I’ve already told Michael that I’ll come back any time. I’m coming back for more Kool Aid when the wraps are taken off of “X,” so I’ll look for you then.
David
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
https://www.drwfilms.comPOST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™
Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Business & Marketing and Apple Final Cut Pro forums.
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[Simon Ubsdell] “Even Phil, enormously though I respect him, does the exact same thing in the clip that David linked to. And even more to the point, we had Randy himself do it back in April! What’s the story there?”
As I said Simon, last night Phil went into much more detail than he did in that older video. LAFCPG will post video of last night’s performance soon, I’m sure.
David Roth Weiss
Director/Editor/Colorist
David Weiss Productions, Inc.
Los Angeles
https://www.drwfilms.comPOST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™
Creative COW contributing editor and a forum host of the Business & Marketing and Apple Final Cut Pro forums.
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[David Roth Weiss] “Many before you have vented their frustration and then become quite calm after myself and others give them shit.”
I am sure you could have put it better David.
I hope you know people look up to you, here on this forum.
Sohrab
2.66 GHz 8-core, ATI Radeon HD 4870,
FCS 3, AJA Kona Lhi“The creative person wants to be a know-it-all. He wants to know about all kinds of things: ancient history, nineteenth-century mathematics, current manufacturing techniques, flower arranging, and hog futures. Because he never knows when these ideas might come together to form a new idea. It may happen six minutes later or six months, or six years down the road. But he has faith that it will happen.” — Carl Ally
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